Local Norms for AAP In-Pool Determination now Illegal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because these people didn’t refer as they were confident their kids would be in pool now they are mad and have to wait until next year

That is on the parents.

In-Pool was meant to capture the kids whose parents don’t know about AAP and would not have a clue how to refer. It is meant to be the top percentage of kids in the school, hence the 10% cut off for local norms. If parents knew about AAP and thought their kid belonged in AAP then they should have been doing the work for a parental referral. They were lazy, that is about it. They can apply next year, which is what they should have done it this year.

So you’re saying the parent A that knows about AAP and has very intelligent children is “lazy” because the school raised the cutoff and they didn’t “self-refer”? Now because the school raised the cutoff they are now expected to do the school’s job next year?

But the school raised the cutoff only to help parent B that’s stupid and clueless about AAP and also happens to have less intelligent children than parent A. So parent B should just get an automatic push through of their not so smart children? Why? Are the clueless parents with less intelligent children considered lazy too?

Also what happens if parent A is also stupid and clueless? Can they get a stupid and clueless pass for their highly intelligent kid too? How’s that work if they’re too stupid and clueless to even know what a pass is?

The clueless parents of intelligent kids should be saved by their kid being in-pool. If their kid is not in the top 10% of their school AND the parents are not paying attention to the emails, flyers sent home, and AART telling people to apply because of how the pool works then that is on them.

The kids who are at the higher test score schools tend to have parents who are hyper focused on school and applying any way. If the parent doesn’t and realizes it late then they can apply next year. Missing a year of AAP is not going to hurt a kid. News flash, missing all of AAP is not going to hurt a kid.

In fact, missing a year of school is not going to hurt a kid. Why even have public school at all?

They are not missing school. They are missing slightly enhanced class. Most of the kids in AP/IB classes were never in AAP. You are expecting something out of a class that just isn’t there. It is not that much different of a class. And if you are at a school where the 10% score is higher then a 132 then you are in a gen ed class with lots of bright kids. So yeah, a year or even 6, not in AAP is not going to hurt your child.

[Anonymous]

The CoGat score not having a standardized baseline criterion across schools makes this a 100% DEI initiative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CoGat score not having a standardized baseline criterion across schools makes this a 100% DEI initiative.

Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

It was never that and shouldn't be, unless you mean you want it to be one day a week, the way LCPS used to be, or push in, like APS.

I have two kids with ADHD who both had WISC during their evaluations. One with GAI of 145 and one with FSIQ of 120. They are/were both in AAP. One is gifted and the other is gifted-and-provides-a-cohort. As designed and as still implemented in some areas of the county, it's a good program. It would be good if it were still implemented like that in the rest of the county.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many deserving kids were bumped off the AAP list because the privileged kids moms were class parent/PTA kiss ups trying to get principal placement or appealing or whatever. Will all that advocating/gatekeeping end now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

It was never that and shouldn't be, unless you mean you want it to be one day a week, the way LCPS used to be, or push in, like APS.

I have two kids with ADHD who both had WISC during their evaluations. One with GAI of 145 and one with FSIQ of 120. They are/were both in AAP. One is gifted and the other is gifted-and-provides-a-cohort. As designed and as still implemented in some areas of the county, it's a good program. It would be good if it were still implemented like that in the rest of the county.

Only one of those is gifted.

[Anonymous]

Fake news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

I’m good with that as long as the new CoGat threshold is 140 minimum across all schools and everyone else can be a parent referral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Okay, Karen. You go on and report that diversity, equity and inclusion in an educational program. That’s such a good look. Troll on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

They will not be "equally considered" as long as race and languages is on the cover sheet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Okay, Karen. You go on and report that diversity, equity and inclusion in an educational program. That’s such a good look. Troll on.

Kids who are very advanced for their grade should be given enrichment, period. Local norming is complete bs. Why should it matter where someone lives and who is in the building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

It was never that and shouldn't be, unless you mean you want it to be one day a week, the way LCPS used to be, or push in, like APS.

I have two kids with ADHD who both had WISC during their evaluations. One with GAI of 145 and one with FSIQ of 120. They are/were both in AAP. One is gifted and the other is gifted-and-provides-a-cohort. As designed and as still implemented in some areas of the county, it's a good program. It would be good if it were still implemented like that in the rest of the county.

Actually, the program used to be a more traditional GT program for a much smaller % --starting ~ 2% and growing to the bloated 20% that it is now.

I get that 145 is a GT range score, but why would 120 be a qualifying score?