Local Norms for AAP In-Pool Determination now Illegal

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many deserving kids were bumped off the AAP list because the privileged kids moms were class parent/PTA kiss ups trying to get principal placement or appealing or whatever. Will all that advocating/gatekeeping end now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

It was never that and shouldn't be, unless you mean you want it to be one day a week, the way LCPS used to be, or push in, like APS.

I have two kids with ADHD who both had WISC during their evaluations. One with GAI of 145 and one with FSIQ of 120. They are/were both in AAP. One is gifted and the other is gifted-and-provides-a-cohort. As designed and as still implemented in some areas of the county, it's a good program. It would be good if it were still implemented like that in the rest of the county.

Only one of those is gifted.

[Anonymous]

Fake news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

I’m good with that as long as the new CoGat threshold is 140 minimum across all schools and everyone else can be a parent referral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Okay, Karen. You go on and report that diversity, equity and inclusion in an educational program. That’s such a good look. Troll on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Parent refer and they will be equally considered. No one is denying them consideration. You simply have to refer. If you can’t do that then that is on you.

They will not be "equally considered" as long as race and languages is on the cover sheet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Okay, Karen. You go on and report that diversity, equity and inclusion in an educational program. That’s such a good look. Troll on.

Kids who are very advanced for their grade should be given enrichment, period. Local norming is complete bs. Why should it matter where someone lives and who is in the building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a joke. It should be majorly over hauled to be a gifted class for the top 2%.

It was never that and shouldn't be, unless you mean you want it to be one day a week, the way LCPS used to be, or push in, like APS.

I have two kids with ADHD who both had WISC during their evaluations. One with GAI of 145 and one with FSIQ of 120. They are/were both in AAP. One is gifted and the other is gifted-and-provides-a-cohort. As designed and as still implemented in some areas of the county, it's a good program. It would be good if it were still implemented like that in the rest of the county.

Actually, the program used to be a more traditional GT program for a much smaller % --starting ~ 2% and growing to the bloated 20% that it is now.

I get that 145 is a GT range score, but why would 120 be a qualifying score?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Of course the new "local pool" standards were designed to help URM and lower SES kids (so "DEI" related). However, what federal funding does FCPS AAP receive? Are you saying the Title I funding for the poorer schools (not necessarily the AAP centers) should be pulled? If so, that would blow up in FCPS' face, especially since these kids have become a much larger slice of the FCPS pie of late).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? A kid with a super high score who isn't in pool likely has a parent who refers. The pool is for kids whose parents have no idea what AAP is. This is a big nothing burger.

Sounds like DEI standards.

State law requires it and the pool was around long before DEI was a thing. It was always there to catch kids whose parents don’t know about the opportunity because the GT/AAP type programs should not be something available only to people in the know.

Sounds like you just want to hoard opportunity.

The truth is that most of the kids who are looked at for AAP are parent referred. The Pool is a safe guard that the state requires. Every AART tells parents that they should parent refer regardless of in-pool status because it is can help a child’s application. If you are choosing to ignore what the AART says and what every person on this board says, a board that you are participating in, that is on you.

FCPS sends out regular emails that reminds parents that AAP meetings are coming up and that applications are coming due. You miss that, then it is on you.

Nobody is trying to hoard opportunity. It doesn’t make sense that children in the top 2% of intelligence from one elementary school are not equally considered with children at other another elementary school that are in the 75th percentile. The highly gifted 2% are not learning advanced or in depth curriculum from the other students in the class. That would come from the teachers/AAP Program.

This is 💯 DEI and will be reported.

Of course the new "local pool" standards were designed to help URM and lower SES kids (so "DEI" related). However, what federal funding does FCPS AAP receive? Are you saying the Title I funding for the poorer schools (not necessarily the AAP centers) should be pulled? If so, that would blow up in FCPS' face, especially since these kids have become a much larger slice of the FCPS pie of late).

Federal funding is at school system level. It does matter that DEI is shoved into AAP. Federal funding will be impacted. Problem is not insufficient funds for URM or SES, the issue is DEI is being used to stop Advanced learners from learning at their suitable pace, as a solution to reduce achievement gaps between them and gen ed learners.

[Anonymous]

Oh what a bummer, my child would have gotten in if this were actually the case. Instead, the white girl got de-nied.

[Anonymous]

This is amusing... Lemme get my troll popcorn and you can continue on.

Wait?? It's Illegal??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because these people didn’t refer as they were confident their kids would be in pool now they are mad and have to wait until next year

Okay, that’s the biggest load of horse s h i t. Any parent who cares about this is dialed in and referring their child. They are completing the parent questionnaire and pulling work samples. They’re not sitting back confident that their kid is in pool and doing nothing. Besides, CogAT scores don’t come out until right about when the deadline to refer occurs.

There are ZERO parents that are mad that they missed out on sending in work samples and the questionnaire because they assumed their kid was in-pool. ZERO.

A lot of parents do not know the process, which is utterly opaque. All of the county is not FCPS.

Well, our school sends home about 4 flyers and 15 digital messages on the topic each year. They also host about 3 AAP info sessions that are advertised on the school sign in English and Spanish....its not that hard to get information. We also were not in FCPS when we transferred in. But, we got all the information we needed a year ahead of time. The parents do not know the process are the same parents who put zero effort looking into it.