OOS experience at flagships?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

DS enjoys CS at UMD alot. Would have likely attended UVA if accepted, but I think things worked out for the best.

UMD accepts the same percentage in state as OOS...I gather it has a much larger OOS population vs. GA Tech.

Michigan also I thought was nearly 50/50 instate vs. OOS.

I wouldn't worry about alumni networks and GA Tech. They have grads all over the country. I know a current junior that is interning this Summer in Seattle because companies from all over the country recruit the students.

That said, Atlanta is a cool city and has a vibrant tech scene, so great for that too.

Yes Mich is 50% instate. So, OP you will need to ask yourself, are you ok with you kid rubbing elbows with 50% of the unwashed illiterate Michigan poplulation (or at least that is what your post sounds like). FWIW, the competition to get in Mich instate is not easy. It is akin to getting into UVA and UMD where certain counties have a number of high stats kids rejected. I would say if your kid has your attitude, better to not go. Nobody wants to listed to the OOS kid talk about how they just missed the ivy league or whatever. Been there done that at UVA- insufferable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Then don't go? If you think your student won't be happy, then don't go. But seriously, the student should decide.

My student is a junior at a flagship in the south and loving it. Not in Greek life but found their "people" in the dorm.

Ga Tech is not the flagship for Georgia, BTW.

Also, if you think your student's stats will be "better" than the in-state cohort, then consider that your student will perform BETTER than the in-state students in the same class.

[Anonymous]

Michigan is 50% OOS. I went there as an OOS student many years ago and it was not an issue in any way. I think the OOS percentage has gone up since then.

[Anonymous]

One of the appealing things about Michigan for my DC is that it is 50/50 in state and OOS. It gives an OOS kid the chance to break in socially when so many kid are coming from different areas. As opposed to UNC, UT or UGA, for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

There is so much missing here. 1. Most students aren't going to get into "top privates" (whatever that means to you). They need to cast a wide net. No admission is guaranteed. 2. In the top 25 national private universities, only 1 (Cornell) is larger than 10K students. Some kids don't want a smaller or mid-sized school. They want a different experience at 18. 3. It's a misconception that the resources are necessarily better at privates. You are paying more, but it doesn't always translate to a "better" academic experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

You are so misinformed to put it mildly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approachong $96k at privates like USC

Michigan is 80K, which sure that's cheaper than 96, it's still on par with a great many private institutions.

And Calpoly is like 27K, so not even 10 grand more than UVA. So?

[Anonymous]

Agree ratio of in-state to OOS makes a difference. Much harder to be OOS when 80%+ are in state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

UGA claims to be a flagship-
https://www.admissions.uga.edu/academics/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree ratio of in-state to OOS makes a difference. Much harder to be OOS when 80%+ are in state.

As long as you're in a fraternity, you're set. Greek status trumps in-state/OOS status in the campus pecking order. This especially matters for males.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

You are so misinformed to put it mildly.

Thank you for this informative response!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

You are incorrect. Everyone in NC knows that UNC-A, G, C, W, and P (you left that one off) are not going to be on unc.edu. Just like UMBC is not the same university as College Park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

You are incorrect. Everyone in NC knows that UNC-A, G, C, W, and P (you left that one off) are not going to be on unc.edu. Just like UMBC is not the same university as College Park.

I am confused then, thought the question was do other schools call themselves a flagship?