ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Id hope clubs encourage kids to play inside the 12 month band with adjustments for playing in the correct GY even if that means some kids are forced up into 2nd or third teams.

No one needs extra clown sauce in club soccer. we all get plenty.

Top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. It screws over the player and makes them look pathetic. Also they have enough of the correct grade players fighting for roster spots.

Will crappy clubs desperate for players let some crazy parent play their Aug birthday kid down. Probabaly, but it won't matter over time these players will need to play with the correct grade or the club will replace them with a correct grade player whenever they become avaliable.

Not true

Watch how things play out this summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree mostly with previous post. But, movement will depend so much on the number of q4s in the "older" bracket merging "down". So with the loudoun example of 8 Q4s on the 2014 top 3 teams- how many will go into 2015s? If you are a top q4 on the 2015, and all 8 enter, where does that leave you? Are you better than half? Are 6 better than you? The number of q4 2014s (the 8) might want to know how many q4 2013s are entering? Do any play the same position?.... my guess is clubs will default to SY and entertain a few studs case by case.

I hope GA and ECNL will start the transition in the Spring season to smooth out the abrupt change. It is challenging for both clubs to find a 50% replacement and for half the players to accept the cut after only two tryouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Id hope clubs encourage kids to play inside the 12 month band with adjustments for playing in the correct GY even if that means some kids are forced up into 2nd or third teams.

No one needs extra clown sauce in club soccer. we all get plenty.

Top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. It screws over the player and makes them look pathetic. Also they have enough of the correct grade players fighting for roster spots.

Will crappy clubs desperate for players let some crazy parent play their Aug birthday kid down. Probabaly, but it won't matter over time these players will need to play with the correct grade or the club will replace them with a correct grade player whenever they become avaliable.

Not true

Watch how things play out this summer.

Summer? Better get a backup team set for your daughter asap. Season is over in a bit over a month from now for states with HS in spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree mostly with previous post. But, movement will depend so much on the number of q4s in the "older" bracket merging "down". So with the loudoun example of 8 Q4s on the 2014 top 3 teams- how many will go into 2015s? If you are a top q4 on the 2015, and all 8 enter, where does that leave you? Are you better than half? Are 6 better than you? The number of q4 2014s (the 8) might want to know how many q4 2013s are entering? Do any play the same position?.... my guess is clubs will default to SY and entertain a few studs case by case.

I hope GA and ECNL will start the transition in the Spring season to smooth out the abrupt change. It is challenging for both clubs to find a 50% replacement and for half the players to accept the cut after only two tryouts.

If a player is being cut from a team the decision was made way before tryouts.

Also, whats the difference between this coming year and every other year? Clubs have tryouts every year so they can add/remove players. It sounds like you're expecting more movement because of the BY to SY change. Maybe this will make a difference, maybe it wont. Irregardless there was likely to be change at the end of the season.

Getting worked up about something you have no control over doesn't make sense. If you want to maximize your kids opportunities engage with multiple coaches from different clubs now and atrend multiple tryouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

No, they can keep 8/1-7/31 just implement a rule that says players can't play down a grade and must play on a team that is predominantly their grade.

Everything is solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree mostly with previous post. But, movement will depend so much on the number of q4s in the "older" bracket merging "down". So with the loudoun example of 8 Q4s on the 2014 top 3 teams- how many will go into 2015s? If you are a top q4 on the 2015, and all 8 enter, where does that leave you? Are you better than half? Are 6 better than you? The number of q4 2014s (the 8) might want to know how many q4 2013s are entering? Do any play the same position?.... my guess is clubs will default to SY and entertain a few studs case by case.

I hope GA and ECNL will start the transition in the Spring season to smooth out the abrupt change. It is challenging for both clubs to find a 50% replacement and for half the players to accept the cut after only two tryouts.

If a player is being cut from a team the decision was made way before tryouts.

Also, whats the difference between this coming year and every other year? Clubs have tryouts every year so they can add/remove players. It sounds like you're expecting more movement because of the BY to SY change. Maybe this will make a difference, maybe it wont. Irregardless there was likely to be change at the end of the season.

Getting worked up about something you have no control over doesn't make sense. If you want to maximize your kids opportunities engage with multiple coaches from different clubs now and atrend multiple tryouts.

If no transition in Spring, it will be weird to practice with the younger group as you are the only Q3/Q4. How will the coach evaluate, and how will we evaluate the final team, considering that 50% of the players will be gone? And we can not go to multiple clubs during the tryout week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree mostly with previous post. But, movement will depend so much on the number of q4s in the "older" bracket merging "down". So with the loudoun example of 8 Q4s on the 2014 top 3 teams- how many will go into 2015s? If you are a top q4 on the 2015, and all 8 enter, where does that leave you? Are you better than half? Are 6 better than you? The number of q4 2014s (the 8) might want to know how many q4 2013s are entering? Do any play the same position?.... my guess is clubs will default to SY and entertain a few studs case by case.

I hope GA and ECNL will start the transition in the Spring season to smooth out the abrupt change. It is challenging for both clubs to find a 50% replacement and for half the players to accept the cut after only two tryouts.

If a player is being cut from a team the decision was made way before tryouts.

Also, whats the difference between this coming year and every other year? Clubs have tryouts every year so they can add/remove players. It sounds like you're expecting more movement because of the BY to SY change. Maybe this will make a difference, maybe it wont. Irregardless there was likely to be change at the end of the season.

Getting worked up about something you have no control over doesn't make sense. If you want to maximize your kids opportunities engage with multiple coaches from different clubs now and atrend multiple tryouts.

If no transition in Spring, it will be weird to practice with the younger group as you are the only Q3/Q4. How will the coach evaluate, and how will we evaluate the final team, considering that 50% of the players will be gone? And we can not go to multiple clubs during the tryout week.

No it wont. Just tell the coach that your kid is a BY trapped player and youre checking out different options. If the coach doesn't understand what youre talking about maybe thats not the team you want your kid playing on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

Nobody redshirts in youth soccer. A hard 8/1-7/31 doesnt allow it.

I could care less about the hold backs. They are free to play on a team with players their age.