ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

As a parent with a kid on a GA team that would destroy 90% of the 2010 ECNL teams it does get annoying when we have to reach so hard for competition and the bottom half of ECNL just loses week after week to the teams we'd love to play.

Oh and the ECNL Hats are ridiculous as well. Support your kids team not a league.

Yup. If you are NEFC, City SC, CUP, MI Jaguars, HTX, TopHat, Lou Fusz, FL United, IMG, Beadling SC, Indy Premier

You are getting much better development than probably 75% of the clubs in ECNL.

Sad that politics has played a role in these clubs not being admitted.

See, a rational post. I agree with this poster 100%. The top 10 GA teams are great clubs. Not sure I agree with 75% of the ECNL but might give you 50-60% here. The problem is that the cliff after these teams is massive.

And the last sentence is pretty telling. Why is it sad that politics is keeping these clubs out of ECNL if GA is just as good. Why wouldn't you want to stay put?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

I will keep playing for another post or two. I refer you back to the poster that compared different conferences between GA and ECNL. It was 100% clear that ECNL, top to bottom, mean, mode, whatever you want to call it, was far superior. Said another way, the top GA team in most conferences would be middle of the pack in ECNL conferences, and the lowest ranked ECNL team would be middle of the pack in most GA conferences. So say what you will about lower level ECNL teams, yes, some of the suck, including Lavers home club of FC Wisconsin, but they dont suck nearly as much as the bottom of the GA conferences.

I love what TopHat and City and IMG and CUP are doing but they are the exception and not the rule.

Just ask yourself logically why a club like Nationals left the GA, where they were top of the top, to go play against Hawks and SLSG and SBV. It is because their DOC thought that they would develop better playing those teams. They already conquered the GA mountain. On to the next challenge.

You can argue qualitative opinions but you cant have your own set of facts.

Let’s see here. Was it competition or money?

Maybe a not so smart move for nationals. They are averaging 4th place so far in ECNL. In all girls age groups

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

Yes I would agree that team that’s really good at the RL or GA is more impressive as they do not have the badge that attracts players. Meaning they usually have to develop in house. Many ECNL teams if they lost their badge would lose players on a huge scale as parents are there for the badge.

Which I’ll say ECNL is a really high quality product and I can see why parents or kids want to be part of it.

[Anonymous]

My daughter is 2010 June born ecnl RL but she is a 8th grader not 9th. Will she then be able to try out for 2011 team possibly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

Significantly better I think is an overstatement as the Us men’s made it out of the group stage plenty of times and even to a qrt final in 2002. Which is the best the teams ever done.

What about the women? How have they looked since they change? I’m pretty sure the U20 just lost to North Korea this summer.

[Anonymous]

This thread stinks of desperation and insecurities.

If ECNL was indeed a top quality elite league, all this hand wringing and mental gymnastics wouldn't be taking place.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

I will keep playing for another post or two. I refer you back to the poster that compared different conferences between GA and ECNL. It was 100% clear that ECNL, top to bottom, mean, mode, whatever you want to call it, was far superior. Said another way, the top GA team in most conferences would be middle of the pack in ECNL conferences, and the lowest ranked ECNL team would be middle of the pack in most GA conferences. So say what you will about lower level ECNL teams, yes, some of the suck, including Lavers home club of FC Wisconsin, but they dont suck nearly as much as the bottom of the GA conferences.

I love what TopHat and City and IMG and CUP are doing but they are the exception and not the rule.

Just ask yourself logically why a club like Nationals left the GA, where they were top of the top, to go play against Hawks and SLSG and SBV. It is because their DOC thought that they would develop better playing those teams. They already conquered the GA mountain. On to the next challenge.

You can argue qualitative opinions but you cant have your own set of facts.

Let’s see here. Was it competition or money?

Maybe a not so smart move for nationals. They are averaging 4th place so far in ECNL. In all girls age groups

Yes really dumb move for Nationals.........in others news Southhampton refuses to be promoted to Premier League and would rather fight to win the Championship............

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

The women’s side objectively has gotten worse but that’s because more countries actually care about women’s soccer. But the issues isn’t BY or SY it’s pay to play. Which many of the other countries have figured a way around for a large group of kids.

Until we get free high quality soccer programs for kids we won’t see a real surge in change on the men’s side. The girls side would only get stronger if they had this option. Many athletic kids drop out because of cost.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

Especially 2018............I mean of course Germany or Italy would lose to Trinidad and Tobago. A country with fewer people than the state of Arkansas.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

The women’s side objectively has gotten worse but that’s because more countries actually care about women’s soccer. But the issues isn’t BY or SY it’s pay to play. Which many of the other countries have figured a way around for a large group of kids.

Until we get free high quality soccer programs for kids we won’t see a real surge in change on the men’s side. The girls side would only get stronger if they had this option. Many athletic kids drop out because of cost.

Correct. To blame the competitiveness of USWNT or USMNT on some arbitrary club date cutoff is silly.

Get "for profit" out of the way. Get 20-30 true Academies funded by USSF (or Ken) in strategic locations and go from there. Mirror MLSN if you can.

[Anonymous]

We dont need silly causation when we have correlation! The USWNT won multiple World Cups before they switched to birth year so clearly the switch was the reason and we should certainly go back to school year to reclaim WC glory on the women's side!

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

I will keep playing for another post or two. I refer you back to the poster that compared different conferences between GA and ECNL. It was 100% clear that ECNL, top to bottom, mean, mode, whatever you want to call it, was far superior. Said another way, the top GA team in most conferences would be middle of the pack in ECNL conferences, and the lowest ranked ECNL team would be middle of the pack in most GA conferences. So say what you will about lower level ECNL teams, yes, some of the suck, including Lavers home club of FC Wisconsin, but they dont suck nearly as much as the bottom of the GA conferences.

I love what TopHat and City and IMG and CUP are doing but they are the exception and not the rule.

Just ask yourself logically why a club like Nationals left the GA, where they were top of the top, to go play against Hawks and SLSG and SBV. It is because their DOC thought that they would develop better playing those teams. They already conquered the GA mountain. On to the next challenge.

You can argue qualitative opinions but you cant have your own set of facts.

Let’s see here. Was it competition or money?

Maybe a not so smart move for nationals. They are averaging 4th place so far in ECNL. In all girls age groups

Yes really dumb move for Nationals.........in others news Southhampton refuses to be promoted to Premier League and would rather fight to win the Championship............

Yes promotion to premier league = more fans = more money.

Chances of winning anything? 0

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I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

On the girls/women’s side were we not successful before the change to By? On the boys/men’s side have we done substantially better since the change to By?

I’m talking international competition?

Yes. This era of men’s soccer has done significantly better than early 2000s and 90s

The women’s side objectively has gotten worse but that’s because more countries actually care about women’s soccer. But the issues isn’t BY or SY it’s pay to play. Which many of the other countries have figured a way around for a large group of kids.

Until we get free high quality soccer programs for kids we won’t see a real surge in change on the men’s side. The girls side would only get stronger if they had this option. Many athletic kids drop out because of cost.

Correct. To blame the competitiveness of USWNT or USMNT on some arbitrary club date cutoff is silly.

Get "for profit" out of the way. Get 20-30 true Academies funded by USSF (or Ken) in strategic locations and go from there. Mirror MLSN if you can.

Agree x1billion