ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

This is so stupid. All the national teams and ODP will stay birth year. If a kid is good enough to play "internationally" literally everyone in all 50 states will know who they are. They are the kid that always gets invited to ID camps, that makes the ODP national team, that plays 2 years up at a top 10 club, that plays on a MLS Next boys team, etc etc. Moving to SY from BY matters literally zero in identifying the top 20/50/100 players in any given year. They have been on a clipboard since they were 12...........

So now RAE doesn't affect things.

For the record I think RAE is BS.

But I also find it ridiculous that the SY people use it as a talking point when it helps and ignore it when it doesn't.

Consider yourself on the record for calling something researched and proven by scholars and scientists and doctors "BS" 😀

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Yup —They are on every forum trying to make everyone believe that this is a great thing and they need to get on board or their league will die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

I don’t think anyone in soccer likes each other. But ECNL is sanctioned by us club so they are probably aligned on this in some capacity? If US club didn’t want to change I don’t think they would get to this point. Would just tell ECNL to kick rocks and do their own thing.

US Club = ECNL

US Club is a proxy for ECNL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Yup —They are on every forum trying to make everyone believe that this is a great thing and they need to get on board or their league will die.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

US Soccer management can really be summed up in two words: Gregg Berhalter

I am going respectfully disagree and attempt to one up you. Two words: Ken Griffin. Turning to a rich Uncle to pay the bills for the USSF is a sad state of affairs.

I may have a slightly different take. Ken is a soccer fanatic. He is also rich. I think he may have said to himself, F you guys, I am just going to do this myself. So at least we have a coach with a proven track record instead of the #2 guy at USSF's brother.........the nepotism always stank. Without Ken we might have had Landon Donovan!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

US Soccer management can really be summed up in two words: Gregg Berhalter

I am going respectfully disagree and attempt to one up you. Two words: Ken Griffin. Turning to a rich Uncle to pay the bills for the USSF is a sad state of affairs.

I may have a slightly different take. Ken is a soccer fanatic. He is also rich. I think he may have said to himself, F you guys, I am just going to do this myself. So at least we have a coach with a proven track record instead of the #2 guy at USSF's brother.........the nepotism always stank. Without Ken we might have had Landon Donovan!

He's too busy coaching SD Wave

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

As a parent with a kid on a GA team that would destroy 90% of the 2010 ECNL teams it does get annoying when we have to reach so hard for competition and the bottom half of ECNL just loses week after week to the teams we'd love to play.

Oh and the ECNL Hats are ridiculous as well. Support your kids team not a league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

I will keep playing for another post or two. I refer you back to the poster that compared different conferences between GA and ECNL. It was 100% clear that ECNL, top to bottom, mean, mode, whatever you want to call it, was far superior. Said another way, the top GA team in most conferences would be middle of the pack in ECNL conferences, and the lowest ranked ECNL team would be middle of the pack in most GA conferences. So say what you will about lower level ECNL teams, yes, some of the suck, including Lavers home club of FC Wisconsin, but they dont suck nearly as much as the bottom of the GA conferences.

I love what TopHat and City and IMG and CUP are doing but they are the exception and not the rule.

Just ask yourself logically why a club like Nationals left the GA, where they were top of the top, to go play against Hawks and SLSG and SBV. It is because their DOC thought that they would develop better playing those teams. They already conquered the GA mountain. On to the next challenge.

You can argue qualitative opinions but you cant have your own set of facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

As a parent with a kid on a GA team that would destroy 90% of the 2010 ECNL teams it does get annoying when we have to reach so hard for competition and the bottom half of ECNL just loses week after week to the teams we'd love to play.

Oh and the ECNL Hats are ridiculous as well. Support your kids team not a league.

Yup. If you are NEFC, City SC, CUP, MI Jaguars, HTX, TopHat, Lou Fusz, FL United, IMG, Beadling SC, Indy Premier

You are getting much better development than probably 75% of the clubs in ECNL.

Sad that politics has played a role in these clubs not being admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that not one person has heard 100% this is happening or not.

I would imagine it will pass (where there’s smoke…) but the fact that we are waiting on this vote and it’s been tight lipped is super interesting.

It's because ECNL and US Soccer don't like each other. They have very different philosophies on the end goal of playing soccer.

Also there's a very loud and vocal Girls ECNL crowd online that doesn't understand anything beyond girls ECNL.

The net is that ECNL needs to get other leagues to align on the decision to pressure US Soccer. Which is why the ECNL pom pom crew is commenting like crqzy.

Without ECNL, on the girls side, US Soccer would be in even worse shape than they already are. US Soccer could learn a thing or two about developing soccer players from ECNL as is evidenced by the number of USWNT and USYNT players that grew up in ECNL vs GA or National Conference. Look at the mens side. They had DA and now MLS Next and you can still argue that the mens team underperforms year in and year out. And many of the elite men on the USMNT developed overseas and not at either DA or MLS Next.

Eh, what do you call development?
Big and Fast? Or Technical and high IQ?
Or a combination of all?

Because most ECNL teams that I’ve seen play direct.

There are a handful of clubs the actually Develop kids aka play possession/Tactical/Strategy.

I call development 19/25 U17 National team from ECNL, 19/21 U17 National team from ECNL and 14 ECNL alumni on the Gold Medal team accounting for 12/13 goals...............isnt that the end game for US Soccer, the national teams and to be competitive internationally? The least the Federation could do is send Lavers a fruit basket...........

It’s true, ECNL is sending minions to counter attack and to…………….praise the CEO?

^^ guy has a point though.

Majority of USWNT talent comes from California, TX, or these clubs.

SD Surf
SLSG
Solar
Sting
PDA
MI Hawks

Lavers is actually a tool but I just get annoyed when people irrationally hate ECNL. It is tiresome. It is like hating the Yankees or the Patriots (Chiefs) You just hate them because they are better than everyone else. But I guess that is human nature. If you are in a metro location I can count on one hand the number of places where it would be a better idea to play on the top GA team vs top ECNL team.

That is not to say you cant grow and develop at a non ECNL team, you most certainly can, but it is pretty demonstrable that ECNL has the best teams and you want to play with and against the best competition you can if you really want to develop. At least IMHO.

Development comes from a coach + playing good competition.

Recruiting while dangling that your club has ECNL is not development. Let’s settle that first.

Let’s look at the bottom half every conference in ECNL. You know, the clubs that come 7-last place every year?

Do you think those kids are developing or just playing ECNL because it’s cool to?

Put it this way. I give major props to the GA clubs that are still extremely competitive.

If you were to move some ECNL clubs in GA, they would seize to exist.

As a parent with a kid on a GA team that would destroy 90% of the 2010 ECNL teams it does get annoying when we have to reach so hard for competition and the bottom half of ECNL just loses week after week to the teams we'd love to play.

Oh and the ECNL Hats are ridiculous as well. Support your kids team not a league.

Assuming you are talking about a girls team and not boys.

So there are approximately 120 ECNL girls teams I think. So your GA team is better than all but the top 12 or so, correct?

There are only 3 teams from GA in the top 30 for 2010 girls. If you aren't from GA, IL or CO I would say there is zero chance your 2010 team would "destroy" 90% of ECNL teams. But if you play for TopHat, congrats, great club!