Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

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Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

It is insane how many schools are directly in the line of fire. Yet they keep saying that this is about safety, that people were told and that it's wildly popular. Turns out it isn't,they weren't and it's not . What a surprise. Just wait until the solutions get unveiled. It will only get worse.

Macomb and Garfield will also get reamed.

Just keep on making stuff up . .

Please do explain what was made up.

Are schools not on those streets?
Is safety not a claimed reason?
Are people in those areas not upset?
Is the lack of communication from their ANC not one of the main issues?
Are Macomb and Garfield not going to get increased traffic because of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

Sounds like a good idea to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

What you are suggesting is not feasible in terms of a test run. And the traffic has been studied ad nauseum for decades. More study is jsut a delay tactic used by NIMBYs. And cyclists aren't going to use a cone protexted bike lanes on a street like Connecticut Avenue.

Can we leave this to the professionals and stop playing on on message boards?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

The article was written from a Forest Hills perspective. If you want to start a Cleveland Park blog, then go for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

It is insane how many schools are directly in the line of fire. Yet they keep saying that this is about safety, that people were told and that it's wildly popular. Turns out it isn't,they weren't and it's not . What a surprise. Just wait until the solutions get unveiled. It will only get worse.

Macomb and Garfield will also get reamed.

Those streets are already clogged at rush hour. They aren't going to get more clogged. If a glass is full, they don't get fuller. Same thing. And...more cars means they go more slowly, so actually, it is safer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

It is insane how many schools are directly in the line of fire. Yet they keep saying that this is about safety, that people were told and that it's wildly popular. Turns out it isn't,they weren't and it's not . What a surprise. Just wait until the solutions get unveiled. It will only get worse.

Macomb and Garfield will also get reamed.

Just keep on making stuff up . .

Please do explain what was made up.

Are schools not on those streets?
Is safety not a claimed reason?
Are people in those areas not upset?
Is the lack of communication from their ANC not one of the main issues?
Are Macomb and Garfield not going to get increased traffic because of this?

I am a DP, but the ANCs put out newsletters, agendas, emails listserv posts, social media posts, etc. If you weren't notified, that isn't their fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

What you are suggesting is not feasible in terms of a test run. And the traffic has been studied ad nauseum for decades. More study is jsut a delay tactic used by NIMBYs. And cyclists aren't going to use a cone protexted bike lanes on a street like Connecticut Avenue.

Can we leave this to the professionals and stop playing on on message boards?

The DDOT “professionals” assumes that half the vehicles diverted from Connecticut Avenue will “divert” to bicycle trips. That’s absurd. If you believe that, then CPSG has a bridge in the Donbas to sell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

It is insane how many schools are directly in the line of fire. Yet they keep saying that this is about safety, that people were told and that it's wildly popular. Turns out it isn't,they weren't and it's not . What a surprise. Just wait until the solutions get unveiled. It will only get worse.

Macomb and Garfield will also get reamed.

Just keep on making stuff up . .

Please do explain what was made up.

Are schools not on those streets?
Is safety not a claimed reason?
Are people in those areas not upset?
Is the lack of communication from their ANC not one of the main issues?
Are Macomb and Garfield not going to get increased traffic because of this?

I am a DP, but the ANCs put out newsletters, agendas, emails listserv posts, social media posts, etc. If you weren't notified, that isn't their fault.

That really depends on the individual ANC doesn't it? Your experience is different than mine which is different from someone else. You do not know what any ANC did besides your own and even then you do not know if someone a few blocks from you gets the same level of service. So please, stop trying to claim something is true that you have no way of knowing. It is a fact that the main issue of contention in one of those races is the lack of communication from the ANC in question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

What you are suggesting is not feasible in terms of a test run. And the traffic has been studied ad nauseum for decades. More study is jsut a delay tactic used by NIMBYs. And cyclists aren't going to use a cone protexted bike lanes on a street like Connecticut Avenue.

Can we leave this to the professionals and stop playing on on message boards?

The DDOT “professionals” assumes that half the vehicles diverted from Connecticut Avenue will “divert” to bicycle trips. That’s absurd. If you believe that, then CPSG has a bridge in the Donbas to sell you.

Agree 100% Moreover, DDOT "professionals" include many subjective assumptions in their analysis. Social science is not hard science.

[Anonymous]

In this thread: lots of people who know nothing about traffic complaining about a plan that is 100% going to happen.

Just a hint here people: if the 30% of people in DC who don't own cars decided to buy on tomorrow, you all would be sitting in traffic for hours every single day due to the massive influx of cars on streets and parking that cannot accommodate them. Therefore, infrastructure needs to support non-car owners so you all can drive around. Use the brain people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people invested in this issue (on either side) might agree that a better traffic study is worthwhile. Suppose, for example, that DDOT used temporary cones etc. to mimic the proposed layout. If traffic snarled, would that convince proponents to make big changes? If it didn't, would that convince opponents that this is workable?

What you are suggesting is not feasible in terms of a test run. And the traffic has been studied ad nauseum for decades. More study is jsut a delay tactic used by NIMBYs. And cyclists aren't going to use a cone protexted bike lanes on a street like Connecticut Avenue.

Can we leave this to the professionals and stop playing on on message boards?

The DDOT “professionals” assumes that half the vehicles diverted from Connecticut Avenue will “divert” to bicycle trips. That’s absurd. If you believe that, then CPSG has a bridge in the Donbas to sell you.

More bullshit. The traffic study has projections for the number of bikes and cars that will use the Avenue. It assumes some traffic will be diverted away, some bikes will be diverted into the lanes, and that some will switch modes. It does not assume that huge numbers of drivers will become cyclists overnight. Please stop making stuff up or, if you sincerely believe this, ask more questions and reach fewer conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

The Cleveland Park ANC was the group that started this all off with Hersh and Finley years ago. Blame them for tricking Macwood & co. into supporting a study of Conn Ave and getting other ANCs on board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the WABA contracts include paying someone $150,000 per year, rising to $180,000 to be a “bicycle ambassador” which includes hanging out and riding around trails and bike lanes for 20 hours per week. How is this not corruption?

https://contracts.ocp.dc.gov/contracts/attachments/Q1c3NTQ3MsKmQmFzZSBQZXJpb2TCpnszRTM4NkU4Qy1BRDQ3LTQ1MUMtQTlBNC05Qzk0OEI3MEY3ODF9

We're paying them $1,102.50 per bicycle on top of everything else. What the hell, these are bikes for 8 year olds and we don't get to keep them.

At these prices it would be inordinately cheaper to just give every 8 year old a bike.

You will doubtlessly a long and illustrious career exposing waste in government contracting. Just wait until you start going through the defense budget. You will look back on those days when got worked up about a $1,000 bicycle in astonishment that you ever could have been so impressionable.

You're defending this with a whataboutism about Pentagon procurement?

FYI an industrial grade adult bike is less than $500 through GSA Global Supply

I’m saying that if you are really concerned about the efficiency of public spending, this is about the last thing you should be concerned about. Although I doubt this has anyone to do with that. You are just trying to find something that occupies your time, fulfills your insatiable need to find conspiracies in every policy outcome you disagree with, and indulges your irrational hatred towards all thing bicycle.

Of course. Just like everything else you write. Nothing but defensiveness, projection, insults, victimhood and lies. It's a bad plan and the numbers don't add up. It will be disastrous. The fact that you're ok with the city creating it's own astroturf organization and using DDOT and the schools as a slush fund is strange but not suprising. You've wrapped your identity in this whole project as part of a search for redemption and feel the slightest criticism as a personal attack. You have become the exact thing you claim to oppose. Form witbout meaning

Uh, what? I'm the PP and I guess I hit a nerve. I really couldn't care less about WABA. They strike me as generally ineffective and I can't think that I would ever donate to them. That you think they are at the helm of some kind of conspiracy to drive this plan forward is kind of laughable, all things considered. The merits of the city's agreement with WABA to provide bicycle education has next to nothing to do with it nor, in the grand scheme of things, with the efficiency of government contracting. It's just a sad commentary on the fact that those opposed to the lanes have nothing better to hang their hat on.

It's surprising how few people give to WABA. You'd think if people actually wanted bike lanes, they'd be supporting the main lobbying group pushing them. I guess people don't want them.

The DC Office of Planning and DDOT want them, which is why they provide a substantial share of WABA’s funding. So we DC taxpayers are funding WABA, whether we like it or not. Thanks, Bowser.

Nope, you are funding the educational programs that WABA executes. Those have nothing to do with advocacy.

The DC Office of Planning is also funding Smart growth lobbyists and their astroturf groups. It’s a total ripoff of taxpayers.

Which smart growth lobbyists are receiving this funding? I don't want my tax dollars funding lobbyists.

Any time anyone asks about who is receiving this funding and how it's being used for lobbying, the person who made the baseless assertion clams up. Every single time. It's just smear tactics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was a nice update

https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/connecticut-avenue-updates-ddot-walkthroughs-few-details-on-future-public-engagement-how-bikes-and-walkers-might-interact

"Piñeiro’s presentation also listed potential locations for DDOT traffic calming reviews on neighborhood streets due to concerns about cut-through traffic. Those include Reno Road at 41st Street, Chevy Chase Parkway, Nevada Avenue, Utah Avenue, Broad Branch Road/Beach Drive, Linnean Avenue and Albemarle Street."

Those are the streets that will bear the brunt of the impact of the displaced traffic and increased congestion.

Not a single location in Cleveland Park? DDOT is dumber than we thought.

Cleveland Park gets hurt but those streets get totally screwed. Reno and Beach will get almost all the displaced traffic and that's how traffic will get there. Ironically their ANCs are among the biggest cheerleaders and their ANCs almost all got an election challenger because of it.

34th St goes right through the heart of Cleveland Park alongside Eaton school. Several other schools are close by. The Bob Ward/Smart Growth majority on the Cleveland Park ANC also fell into line and voted for the Connecticut cluster$&@!. However, one incumbent seems vulnerable because of his cheerleading.

It is insane how many schools are directly in the line of fire. Yet they keep saying that this is about safety, that people were told and that it's wildly popular. Turns out it isn't,they weren't and it's not . What a surprise. Just wait until the solutions get unveiled. It will only get worse.

Macomb and Garfield will also get reamed.

Just keep on making stuff up . .

Please do explain what was made up.

Are schools not on those streets?
Is safety not a claimed reason?
Are people in those areas not upset?
Is the lack of communication from their ANC not one of the main issues?
Are Macomb and Garfield not going to get increased traffic because of this?

It’s obvious from how you are trying to reframe your arguments that you knew what you wrote came direct from the horse’s ass.