Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Hit a little too close to home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now, I can understand why we had the three pages defending Manatt. Nit a little too close to home.

Sorry, meant to correct”hit a little to close to home” here.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

I'm not fighting for Lively -- I don't actually care for her as an actress and while I've never worked with her or anyone who knows here, she does have a rep for being a PITA.

But I do have a lot of experience in the industry and dealing with these specific issues (though no longer practice except for very occasional part-time consulting, I'm mostly a SAHM at this point).

If you don't think what I'm telling you above about how the industry works is accurate, you are more than welcome to fact check it. You are not going to find someone who will confirm that an IC scripts scenes or decides what kinds of intimate acts the actors will be doing because they don't.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

I'm not fighting for Lively -- I don't actually care for her as an actress and while I've never worked with her or anyone who knows here, she does have a rep for being a PITA.

But I do have a lot of experience in the industry and dealing with these specific issues (though no longer practice except for very occasional part-time consulting, I'm mostly a SAHM at this point).

If you don't think what I'm telling you above about how the industry works is accurate, you are more than welcome to fact check it. You are not going to find someone who will confirm that an IC scripts scenes or decides what kinds of intimate acts the actors will be doing because they don't.

I think your description of what an IC does is probably accurate, I just don’t think you are being honest about your connection to this case. I’ve long wondered why someone who isn’t being compensated would write such lengthy, extremely one sided posts, and so many of them. We’ll never know for sure, but it sure is suspicious.

Further, I don’t think Justin’s description is inconsistent with yours. He had discussions with the IC where various scenarios were discussed and then took back what she suggested among the alternatives to Blake. I would think, given her alleged level of concern and discomfort, Blake would have availed herself to having a neutral party present for all conversations about the intimacy scenes rather than opting to discussing them one on one with the person who was allegedly harassing her, regardless of what the typical practice may be.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

What do you think has been posted on this thread that is inaccurate? Be specific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

You think that lawyers are now involved in astroturfing PR? On DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

What do you think has been posted on this thread that is inaccurate? Be specific.

I think she is an attorney at an entertainment firm working with Blake, most likely Manatt. What don’t you understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

What do you think has been posted on this thread that is inaccurate? Be specific.

I think she is an attorney at an entertainment firm working with Blake, most likely Manatt. What don’t you understand?

I think lawyers are most likely not spending their time astroturfing on DCUM. But you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

You think that lawyers are now involved in astroturfing PR? On DCUM?

Yes, yes, I do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

You think that lawyers are now involved in astroturfing PR? On DCUM?

Yes, yes, I do.

Then DCUM has hit the big leagues!

[Anonymous]

Lawyers are nerds. Writing long posts is what we do for entertainment.

-not an entertainment lawyer

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

What do you think has been posted on this thread that is inaccurate? Be specific.

I think she is an attorney at an entertainment firm working with Blake, most likely Manatt. What don’t you understand?

That makes no sense. How would a lawyer even bill for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what his complaint says about the IC:
Contrary to Lively’s assertion, it was she who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out scenes, putting Baldoni in the awkward position of meeting with the
intimacy coordinator alone and later relaying sex scene suggestions to Lively in the intimacy
coordinator’s absence—not only defeating the purpose but resulting in accusations by the Times that,
before shooting began, Baldoni wanted to add sex scenes that Lively considered gratuitous; in fact,
these scenes were proposed by the intimacy coordinator. This is well-documented in hand-written
notes Baldoni took during meetings with the intimacy coordinator.

But this doesn't really make sense. Baldoni was the director, it's his job to meet with the IC and map out the sex scenes and it's also his job (or the job of the production company, and he was also producing) to get the actors on board with what is mapped out.

Like literally it is his job to figure out how he wants to tell this story (it's his movie) and work that out with everyone involved. Lively wasn't contractually obligated to participate in pre-production meetings and didn't want to (presumably because she was on maternity leave) but that doesn't mean she refused to work with the IC.

Also it's such a copout for him to say "oh the IC suggested these gratuitous sex scenes." Whose movie is this? Sorry but intimacy coordinators are not hired to determine how graphic or sexual a movie is. That is 100% within the purview of the director. An IC is like a stunt coordinator -- their job is to ensure the director's vision for the intimate scenes is carried out in a safe and respectful way for the actors, following industry standards. Can you imagine if an actor complained that a stunt was too dangerous or not necessary for the movie and the director said "oh well that wasn't even my idea, the stunt coordinator suggested it and I said okay."

The director is the boss. It sounds like Baldoni was really bad at it. This is what happens when you hire a total novice to direct a feature like this. Sounds like he only go the gig because his production company has loads of money and was able to get the full rights to the movie. I don't think a studio would have hired someone this inept and if they did, I think they would have brought in someone to hold his hand when it became obvious that he didn't know what he was doing.

The intimacy coordinator is supposed to script out scenes with the actors and make sure they are comfortable. She is supposed to meet with them and get input on what is comfortable and what’s not. The director does not necessarily script those scenes, the director does not write every scene in the movie. A director is also not the screenwriter. A director is in charge of how things are shot, an intimacy coordinator’s job is to script out scenes.

On a few occasions, it seems like he had to meet with the intimacy coordinator and had to relay notes to her. That puts him in an awkward position of relaying thinks of a sexual nature to her. But he had signed and dated notes apparently.

Sorry you clearly don't have experience with this. I do.

An IC does not "script out" scenes. The IC works closely with the director to choreograph a scene based on what the director says they want. The IC will make suggestions on the content of a scene only insofar as it's relevant to protecting the actors. So like a director might say they want a sex scene to to take place on a balcony because they want the scene framed with a view behind the actors. The IC might say "ok but we need to find a way to frame it so there can be some kind of padding underneath the actors since it could be painful or injurious to film this on the cement of this particular balcony." Then the director will say "okay but I want to do these two close ups of the actors from above and I don't want to be able to see any padding underneath them." And the IC will way okay so we'll do the following shots from the interior with the padding and the view behind them, and then we'll set up these closeups separately so that we can minimize the time the actors have to be on the cement without the padding -- also since we are only doing closeups for this part of the shoot, we can have the actors clothed from the waist down which will make that less uncomfortable for them." And so on.

What an IC doesn't do is say "oh it would be really cool if at this point your character went down on the other character." That's a story element, that's not up to the IC. A professional IC would not make a suggestion like that, and if they did, a professional director would not view it as necessary to follow the IC's suggestion -- it's just not their place.

The only thing I can think of is if a director suggested filming a sex act that an IC knows would be really uncomfortable for an actor to perform, they might say "okay what if instead we make this part of the scene an oral sex scene -- does that achieve your goal of showing the characters in a more intimate position without putting the actors in a really compromised position?" But it that case the IC isn't scripting the scene. They are proposing an alternative to something they view as particularly hard to film in a way that wouldn't compromise the actors.

In any case, it is completely normal for a director to meet with an IC to choreograph a sex scene and then for the director to relay what they figured out to the actors involved. And it's normal for an actor who is uncomfortable with any of it to say "ok I'm not comfortable with XYZ" and for the director to have to go back to the IC to address that issue. That's the director's job.

Directing a movie is really, really hard. Especially a feature length film with well known actors and a fairly large budget (for this sort of movie). But that's not an excuse for sexual harassment or being unprofessional on set or creating a creepy, sexualized environment.

In one paragraph, please share the basis for your personal knowledge of how an ic works.

I have represented intimacy coordinators in contract matters with studios and have drafted the "duties of position" for these contracts. I've also reviewed production notes from ICs detailing how intimate scenes were choreographed and executed and interviewed both ICs and other members of production to discuss what the IC did and how it went.

Right, just another plain old dcum mom, who is also just happens to be an entertainment lawyer who is fighting to the bone for Blake day after day. Explains a lot.

"I believe what I want to believe and will move goalposts as needed"

Moving goalposts? How so?

Don't believe they have experience. Demand they provide it (goalpost)

When provided, refuse to believe it (goalpost moved)

If you do not believe them you could also read many available articles re: what an intimacy coordinator does (new goalpost)

But you will still likely believe your own perception of what it is they do regardless of what you read (new goalpost moved)

If you just want to believe what you believe, stop arguing and go to bed.

Oh, I believe she is an entertainment lawyer. What I don’t believe is that she is just another Sahm, or that she is a disinterested party,

You think that lawyers are now involved in astroturfing PR? On DCUM?

Yes, yes, I do.

Wouldn't their time writing long detailed posts be better spent, then, on a far larger website like Reddit? 600k unique visitors a month on DCUM, much smaller to this specific forum and thread is a drop in the bucket compared to readership of any reddit thread on this.

I also suspected general PR astroturfing.(Which Jeff has repeatedly seemed to dispute), but suspicion of lawyer firm astroturfing seems logically even less likely.