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ECNL moving to school year part 2
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Anonymous
I'll add a little more... If club soccer changed to GY suddenly all the clubs, private schools, and regular high schools could participate in the same league. The problem with this is the private schools can provide scholarships and free tuition. This would flip the Pay to Play club revenue model on its head. Instantly all the top teams would be gutted from private schools offering scholorships. Over time clubs would have no power or say in top talent. If you dont think this would occur check out Lacrosse. So the GY idiot can shut up because all the soccer club owners know exactly what would happen if a league like ECNL allowed GY. Basically they'd all be kissing their jobs and money goodbye. |
Anonymous
Dude stop. Clubs will have Aug birthdays play with their new age grouping. At tryouts, they will have the groups check-in and go to their age grouping. At no point, in any of this, will anyone be asking what grade the kid is in. They literally do not care. No one cares what grade players are in now, and they certainly won't care after this change. You are the only one on the planet who believes this for some reason. I promised myself I wouldn't reply to your delusion, but I guess I'll just limit it to one reply a day... |
Anonymous
Sorry never going to happen grade in school matters. (mostly because of recruitment when players get older) Here's how things worked before switching to BY in 2017. It all depends on when your district starts school. Some start in Aug so theres no issue with these. However when districts start in Sept this creates a situation where Aug birthdays can play with their correct grade or on the team with players a grade below them. It used to be that most people wouldn't choose to play down even when it was available. So the whole issue with Aug birthdays playing down almost never came up. This is the honest truth. I don't understand what's changed that has parents seeking out situations that allow playing down. |
Anonymous
I don't think ECNL will ever do GY (or any of the leagues will) but your comment is pretty localized. There are huge swaths of the country with top clubs and 0 private schools with strong soccer programs. It isn't actually very common outside of the NE. "private schools, and regular high schools could participate in the same league". So the clubs, who control the leagues, would just allow high schools to start playing in their leagues even though that would be their (the clubs) demise? Ehh no. This is never gonna happen. |
Anonymous
Nothing has changed. It is one delusional guy (gal?) with multiple personas. |
Anonymous
It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well. In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores). You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic. |
Anonymous
I didnt say clubs and HS teams would play in the same league. I said they COULD. Private schools can do whenever they want. If club soccer was GY private schools could (and likely would) start playing in club leagues (and HS leagues). They'd also make their own leagues that only private schools play in because they're elitist aholes who live for finding situations where they can exclue others. Reguarding the "localized" comment, haven't you noticed that the top soccer leagues are national? Local means nothing. They'll just fly and play other clubs and private schools. Money doesnt matter at the levels private schools can afford. |
Anonymous
As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down. |
Anonymous
The fact that everyone is arguing about this is mind blowing. The decision has been made and is clear. Clubs will make decisions within the new rules, same as they do today. The only question worth discussing now is when clubs will start communicating their plans and expectations to players, both directly and indirectly impacted. I am guessing that most clubs will wait until Fall season is over so they minimize distractions, so probably November or right after thanksgiving. |
Anonymous
Give it up there are no others. |
Anonymous
Why is this centered around August? School cutoffs go all the way to December. Should September, October, and November birthdays be allowed to play with the grade below? What about kids who start late? If the cutoff is 8/1 but an August birthdate started late, they should be allowed to play their proper age? |
Anonymous
The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team. Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense. If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also. But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money. I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up. |
Anonymous
Don’t bite it’s one sept parent who just can’t handle that an Aug kid who’s on their daughters team is better then them and will get to join the new group also. |
Anonymous
Under BY the eligibility window is 1/1-12/31 Under SY the eligibility window is 8/1-7/31 Next season many leagues will be changing from BY to SY. Aug birthdays can be an issue depending on when your school district starts. Around here schools start 9/1. This means Aug birthdays that are a grade older in school can technically play down on a team thats a grade younger than they are in school. Other than being humiliating for the player and should be generally embarrassing for their parents, playing down causes issues when playera get older. Older players usually want to get recruited to play for a college team. The probelm is if you're playing down on a grade below your kids grade in school college coaches and recruiters will ignore them until they play with players their grade in school. See how it works? The only way to address the issue is to play on a correct grade team. Or for parents to hold their kid back in school. (This is something leagues and clubs do not want to be responsible for) |
Anonymous
Around here the cutoff is 10/1. Other places it’s 11/1 or 12/1. You’re promoting national leagues make rules so why are you only focused on August birthdays? |