Plane crash DCA?

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Withholding her name will only work for so long.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

Maybe you’d like your hand held through this…

The men will not be dragged for being obvious DEI hires (provided they are white). It will be a default assumption that they are qualified. It will be a default response that she could not have possibly been (again, because of the being a woman thing).

Got that, champ?

Either way, they are dead. So, it doesn’t matter anyhow. They’re dead now.

It matters to the grieving family and friends.

It matters for citizens to know and understand what fully went wrong in the BH. AA pilots did exactly as they were told. ATC followed protocol. The BH crew, for whatever reason, did not follow protocol, and as a result, 60+ innocent people are dead.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

It’s not a feminist thing. It’s a response to the current political environment.
Because women in the military are the target of the SecDef and the Pres who are encouraging the targeting. Their followers will say/do terrible things since they’ve been given a license to by the leaders. All blame will be on her. No matter what. There is no truth anymore with this administration.
Best to prepare the family.

No one is going to say jack about the two male military personnel. Because of the leaders have said men can do no wrong.

The end result will be the grounding all women military pilots.

-signed former military officer

Disagree. Any pilot that crashes their helicopter into a passenger jet, despite
all the warning and altitude restrictions that were not followed, should get an intense investigation into their training, qualifications, performances, and merit. And I’m sure the male pilot will, just as she will. That isn’t discriminating bc she is a woman- it is trying to figure out
What went wrong in training and preparation that could allow this to have happened

Women are in the crosshairs of this administration for m ay things, not just in the military. All the investigating in the world is not going to change the political outcome of this situation . This is a post truth world.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any trouble believing they want the funeral service over and finished before they have to deal with the onslaught that is surely coming. Even if she is 1000% at fault, what’s about to happen to her parents is not okay.

She can't be at fault, because there were two pilots, and it was the other's job to watch closely and take over if there was any mistake or danger. Also, the voice on the audio clearly telling the ATC that he saw the plane was obviously male.

Right which is why i think it was brave for the families to be public. They all share culpability but one is hiding information.

They just lost a family member. Your opinion here does not matter.

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I'm inclined to think this was a perfect storm accident, but withholding her name makes me think that there is a reason. Perhaps they want to investigate her background first without the media interference.

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Releasing names of adults who have caused a tragedy are released by public officials. This is not up to "the family." If that were the case, then we wouldn't know any of the perpetrators of accidents and tragedies. But the names are always revealed.

Something is not right there.

[Anonymous]

The pilot was presumably flying. Flying 200 feet above the ceiling ATC had given the Blackhawk.
And t boned the plane without any diversion from a straight in angle. There is a story there, medical emergency to shooting the others and heading in.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

She’s not. Their families shared their names.

Wrong. The Army has released their names and specifically says they are with holding hers, due to family request

There is more to this story.

With all of the speculation surrounding this, I would withhold my family members name as well. I’m sure a lot of people want to point fingers and blame and with the rhetoric coming down from the top I doubt there will be any big consequence for anyone that wanted to retaliate against the family to make a point.

It is not your prerogative to release or not. It is a matter of public record who caused a tragedy.

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They couldn’t see these planes lights?

Do you know for a fact the pilot was alive at impact?

You don’t. Let the people do their investigation.

You think you know all. But you don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm inclined to think this was a perfect storm accident, but withholding her name makes me think that there is a reason. Perhaps they want to investigate her background first without the media interference.

Maybe. Given the flight path in the final moments, they must be investigating the possibility of an intentional act. But wouldn't the copilot have had to be in on it?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

Maybe you’d like your hand held through this…

The men will not be dragged for being obvious DEI hires (provided they are white). It will be a default assumption that they are qualified. It will be a default response that she could not have possibly been (again, because of the being a woman thing).

Got that, champ?

Either way, they are dead. So, it doesn’t matter anyhow. They’re dead now.

It matters to the grieving family and friends.

Right, so if the copilots’ names were released the pilot’s name must also be released. The copilots have families as well.

Singular, not plural. There were 2 pilots and one crew chief aboard. A crew chief is not a pilot.

[Anonymous]

I do think the Army has an angle here. I’m just not yet sure what it is. They aren’t doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

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Anonymous wrote:Releasing names of adults who have caused a tragedy are released by public officials. This is not up to "the family." If that were the case, then we wouldn't know any of the perpetrators of accidents and tragedies. But the names are always revealed.

Something is not right there.

It is up to the family.
There is a protocol in the military when there is a service member death. Family gets a say.

Stop with the crazy conspiracy theory.

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They couldn’t see these planes lights?

Do you know for a fact the pilot was alive at impact?

You don’t. Let the people do their investigation.

You think you know all. But you don’t.

Given the responses to ATC, yes!

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Anonymous wrote:I am no pilot, but the crash appeared to be intentional.

Since you are no pilot and have zero experience, we thank you for sharing your important and random opinion.