ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

As soon as Colleges start paying transfer fees all the MLSN talent will flow to Colleges in the same way it flows to MLS/Pro teams.

Since NCAA is now paying players the next step is to pay transfer fees.

Why in the world would colleges pay transfer fees for a non revenue generating sport?

If you want to win now that colleges are paying players they're going to need to pay them.

Maybe NIL $$$ from a collective pays the transfer fee. Maybe the college pays the transfer fee directly.

The point is college is now a form of professional sports. In pro sports you can train players to be the best or you can buy them. How badly do you want to win.

Yeah schools aren't going to fund men's soccer. Too many spots for football and basketball. Women's sports will be a whole different ballgame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

As soon as Colleges start paying transfer fees all the MLSN talent will flow to Colleges in the same way it flows to MLS/Pro teams.

Since NCAA is now paying players the next step is to pay transfer fees.

Why in the world would colleges pay transfer fees for a non revenue generating sport?

If you want to win now that colleges are paying players they're going to need to pay them.

Maybe NIL $$$ from a collective pays the transfer fee. Maybe the college pays the transfer fee directly.

The point is college is now a form of professional sports. In pro sports you can train players to be the best or you can buy them. How badly do you want to win.

Yeah schools aren't going to fund men's soccer. Too many spots for football and basketball. Women's sports will be a whole different ballgame.

Paying a transfer fee is likely only in the cards for the top 3-5 men's college soccer teams.

What I'm pointing out is if the top 3-5 colleges want to win it all now that Colleges can pay players they can also pay transfer fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

As it should be. There’s just a completely different mindset and work rate between those who want high level D1 or pro and those who are just aiming to play in college and using MLSNext as a resume builder and showcase to be seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

Except the stats show that once they get to the higher levels RAE is not prevelant. National team level talent will be just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

LOL. The issues with USMNT or USWNT is not going to be affected or worsened by a 6 month RAE disadvantage. That is the dumbest thing said today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

Except the stats show that once they get to the higher levels RAE is not prevelant. National team level talent will be just fine.

Do your stats show that all the top players were 10 years old at one time or another and being affected by RAE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

LOL. The issues with USMNT or USWNT is not going to be affected or worsened by a 6 month RAE disadvantage. That is the dumbest thing said today.

RAE doesn't affect adults it affects kids when they're under 10 years old and getting picked by coaches for their teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

Except the stats show that once they get to the higher levels RAE is not prevelant. National team level talent will be just fine.

Do your stats show that all the top players were 10 years old at one time or another and being affected by RAE?

I'm going off of memory here but when they talked about this in the ECNL podcast the RAE was significantly less prevalent at the nt level. Whether it was better scouting or something else that's what the data showed.

[Anonymous]

It would be funny if NCAA blew up over the next couple of years and recruiting changed to more of an academy style because colleges dropped the programs that aren't revenue earning.

And leagues stated talking about switching back to BY again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

Except the stats show that once they get to the higher levels RAE is not prevelant. National team level talent will be just fine.

Do your stats show that all the top players were 10 years old at one time or another and being affected by RAE?

I'm going off of memory here but when they talked about this in the ECNL podcast the RAE was significantly less prevalent at the nt level. Whether it was better scouting or something else that's what the data showed.

You realize that NT data would start at u13. By this time all the early bloomers and Jan 1 birthdays have already been identified and RAE has already occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

Except the stats show that once they get to the higher levels RAE is not prevelant. National team level talent will be just fine.

agreed at higher levels - look at U17 -
"Players born on or after Jan. 1, 2007, are age-eligible for this World Cup. Schoepfer chose 16 players born in 2007 and five born in 2008. Fifteen players will be 17 years old at the start of the World Cup and six will be 16."

So, the team has 16 year olds (they could be HS sophomores) and they have 4 players already in college.

BY or SY - if you're at the higher levels doesn't matter

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2024/09/schoepfer-names-usa-roster-for-2024-fifa-u-17-womens-world-cup-in-the-dominican-republic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

Seems like SY would still be correct for 99.99% of kids in that hypothetical, so I would guess the SY people will feel vindicated. Further, if there's a split in cutoffs, the BY leagues feeding into pros/YNT will be even smaller, as they will lose a lot of kids playing the pro pathway knowing that their real goal is just to play in college.

That's weird logic but whatever.

College recruiters will find talent wherever it's available.

Changing from BY to SY will hurt US players internationally. It won't affect college recruiting because coaches only look at players they are already in contact with. Coaches do not walk around looking at random games shopping for players.

Let's look at the RAE and the effect switching from BY to SY will have on US players ability to play internationally.

Most countries grouo players by year. This means in general because of REA Jan birthdays will have the most advantages. But if youth soccer in America switches from BY to SY suddenly the advantage goes to July birthdays. This means internationally all players will have a 6 month RAE advantage over Americans.

I know you're going to say something like that only effects 1% of players. But I also know you're going to be the drunk loud mouth moaning about know the USMNT or USWNT are no longer competitive and bla bla bla.

This is so stupid. All the national teams and ODP will stay birth year. If a kid is good enough to play "internationally" literally everyone in all 50 states will know who they are. They are the kid that always gets invited to ID camps, that makes the ODP national team, that plays 2 years up at a top 10 club, that plays on a MLS Next boys team, etc etc. Moving to SY from BY matters literally zero in identifying the top 20/50/100 players in any given year. They have been on a clipboard since they were 12...........