ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.

DPLS statement says US Soocer will decide for everyone. I think that includes MLS and EA.

[Anonymous]

ECNL and DPL are preparing everyone that change is coming. There’s no way both statements would be made otherwise. The US Soccer vote is just a formality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.

DPLS statement says US Soocer will decide for everyone. I think that includes MLS and EA.

And ECNL in a podcast said they didn't believe USSF had the authority for a mandate. DPL's "While the decision will ultimately be made by US Soccer, the implementation could vary across sanctioning bodies." gives the impression that leagues could implement in differing ways or at differing times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.

Pre-MLSN next teams currently play with pre-ECNL teams in the leagues and tourneys. So, who would pre-MLSN teams play if everyone else switched?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.

Pre-MLSN next teams currently play with pre-ECNL teams in the leagues and tourneys. So, who would pre-MLSN teams play if everyone else switched?

They will play in the leagues and tournaments they will just play up so everyone on their roster is eligible. Their the best anyway so it should be good for them.

[Anonymous]

Pre-MLS next teams could play in NAL. Before that, they wouldn't really be pre MLS Next, they would be EDP, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?

Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.

Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.

Ugh why is this so challenging for people to understand. If your child is currently playing with their grade level and the cutoff changes they can always play up to stay with players in their own grade. They are not trapped they have a choice. Currently the trapped players are not ALLOWED to play with their grade level because they are too 'old'. Stop misusing TRAPPED.

This is a bit misleading. It’s a choice only if the kid is good enough/well developed to play up the age bracket. So, it’s not 100% based on choices.

True, they may not have a choice, but they are eligible for two teams instead of none. Trapped players, i.e., those without a team, are those on the other side of a cutoff where they are the youngest on their team and a grade behind at school. If the cutoff changes to 8/1, only redshirted players should be trapped, but some others like here could be misaligned. Misaligned kids could also play up with class, nearly guaranteed, if they are willing to play with the B/C team if that's their class-based ability level.

[Anonymous]

Here in Minnesota we have just 2 ECNL and 2 2 MLNS Next clubs.

The bulk of the clubs play 95% with USCS and a scarce 5% for USYS.

So we are most interested in USCS’s decision, whether they change to SY or remain BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here in Minnesota we have just 2 ECNL and 2 MLNS Next clubs.

The bulk of the clubs play 95% with USCS and a scarce 5% for USYS.

So we are most interested in USCS’s decision, whether they change to SY or remain BY.

I meant just 2 MLS Next clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.

DPLS statement says US Soocer will decide for everyone. I think that includes MLS and EA.

And ECNL in a podcast said they didn't believe USSF had the authority for a mandate. DPL's "While the decision will ultimately be made by US Soccer, the implementation could vary across sanctioning bodies." gives the impression that leagues could implement in differing ways or at differing times.

Leagues can create whatever rule the want.

Here's an example.

If ECNL really wanted to do SY and US Soccer mandated BY all ECNL has to do is make a rule that all players with Aug 1 to Dec 31st can play down an age group in ECNL competitions.

Boom, ECNL is SY even though US Soccer mandated BY.

This is why many are saying that ECNL saving the poor trapped players is BS. If ECNL truly wanted to address trapped players they already can. This is about ECNL girls trying to impose their will on others.

[Anonymous]

MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

100% agree, on the boys/mens side who moves to the next level is more about ability than connections.

In 10 years the women's game will be headed this way as well.

What are people going to do when colleges start dropping soccer programs because they need to start paying players and college soccer isn't profitable.

Where will all the SY people be then when the small number of college teams only recruit from the same pools as the USYNT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

As soon as Colleges start paying transfer fees all the MLSN talent will flow to Colleges in the same way it flows to MLS/Pro teams.

Since NCAA is now paying players the next step is to pay transfer fees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

As soon as Colleges start paying transfer fees all the MLSN talent will flow to Colleges in the same way it flows to MLS/Pro teams.

Since NCAA is now paying players the next step is to pay transfer fees.

Why in the world would colleges pay transfer fees for a non revenue generating sport?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS will not change to SY. It’s the U.S. top pro league and to maintain some credibility, it’s going to stay BY like the rest of the world. However, they would support ECNL going SY and further separate themselves from those whose aspirations are primarily playing in college.

At the end of the day, if high level D1 is mostly older internationals from youth academies an abroad, the focus of MLSNext should be do to develop players who want to get there.

As soon as Colleges start paying transfer fees all the MLSN talent will flow to Colleges in the same way it flows to MLS/Pro teams.

Since NCAA is now paying players the next step is to pay transfer fees.

Why in the world would colleges pay transfer fees for a non revenue generating sport?

If you want to win now that colleges are paying players they're going to need to pay them.

Maybe NIL $$$ from a collective pays the transfer fee. Maybe the college pays the transfer fee directly.

The point is college is now a form of professional sports. In pro sports you can train players to be the best or you can buy them. How badly do you want to win.