Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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Anonymous wrote:A YLS grad reviews Mark Judges book, Wasted. There’s a lot in the book that matches Bart’s testimony and many of the notes in the yearbook and not in a good way.

https://www.newsweek.com/brett-kavanaugh-investigation-i-read-mark-judges-book-wasted-heres-what-fbi-1151447

direct link to free pdf download:

https://ia902900.us.archive.org/30/items/Wasted_20181003/Wasted.pdf

I'm not going to read it. Please provide relevant details.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

This cracks me up. Attack a man by accusing him of attempted rape. Have activists make his family's life a living hell. The say he doesn't have the temperament for a judge because he came in swinging to protect himself and his family.

When an innocent man is wrongly accused, that's usually how they react. Ask any police officer as it's one of the things they look for in a suspect when someone is murdered. Guilty people tend to act more like Ford did, i.e. story changes all the time, can't pin down details, say someone can vouch and they can't, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I think.

I think the 8 justices currently on SCOTUS are horrified at what is going on. I think that each one of them are thinking... “Geez. I’m glad nobody searched deep into my high school years because there are things there that they would certainly consider disqualifying.” I think they are disgusted that the argument is coming down to what was written in his HS yearbook and the fact that he likes beer.

It’s a travesty. Nobody is a saint. Nobody has made Kavanaugh out to be a saint. He’s human - just like the other 8 justices who have been confirmed. And, simply because people have leveled false allegations at him, we have come to this. It’s pathetic.

I agree that they are likely horrified. I disagree about why. I doubt any of them had this kind of background (even Thomas) that warranted such scrutiny. The issue is the nominee.

He never should have lied about the drinking. He was trying to avoid any possibility that he could have attacked Ford and not remembered, but he just looks ridiculous now. I mean, FFS, he pledged a fraternity and was involved in bar fights. Did he really think nobody would speak up?

Yep, this.

#LeftyLies
He was not “involved in bar fights.” He happened to be present.
He never lied about his drinking.
He did not attack Ford.

The only truth you have stated is that he pledged a fraternity.

You sound desperate. You are just making stuff up. And adding hashtags.

I'm still waiting for your summary of CBFs lies, by the way.

I wasn’t the one who said she lied. But, since you asked. I do believe she made up the whole story. I didn’t believe that at first, but as more is revealed, I do now.
And, given her former boyfriend’s letter to officials, it seems she did lie regarding her fear of flying and her coaching of a friend on a polygraph. She lied to her former boyfriend about credit card charges. Why not now?

Can you explain how she knew that 1) Brett Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker/hard partier in high school/college and 2) that Mike Judge was a heavy drinker/hard partier and 3) that BK and MJ were best friends -- how did she figure this all out years ago so that she could start telling her story about the two in case BK ever got nominated for SCOTUS and she got called to testify against him?

Not one single pro-BK poster has come here to eplain how Ford figured all this out. Because otherwise it's a great coincidence, is it not, that the person she picked to lie about just happened to be a hard-drinking lout in high school and college and had a best buddy who was also a hard-drinking lout. She had to have done serious research to find this out so that she could make her lies ring true. Please explain. The notion that she saw his name in the paper in 2012 when he was nominated for a judgeship, saw he was about her age and went to GT Prep, and then started researching and somehow discovered he was a huge drinker and had a best friend named Mike Judge who was also a drinker, so then she started telling her tale in the event she could use it, is too incredible to believe. She would have had to talk to others whom BK acknowledges he knows to find all this out. Where are those people saying she called or wrote them asking for dirt on him? So far haven't heard anyone come forward and say, hey CBF contacted me in 2012 asking if I knew BK and what was he like.

To me the simple solution to this question is the one that makes the most sense: she did know BK, she did know MJ, this did happen to her, she is telling the truth.

To follow up on this post: Gorsuch is ALSO a GP alumnus her age. She could have picked him to lie about, right? She could have named him way back when she told her husband about this, in the event Gorsuch got nominated. He was also in the news, someone who worked for a Republican president in the DOJ. But then her story wouldn't have rung true, because there is no evidence he was a hard drinker with a pattern of loutish behavior.

So how did she zero in on BK to lie about, if you believe she lied?

I want to hear Kavanaugh supporters come here and explain this.

I think this is the strongest argument for Ford.

Still, even the "strongest" argument is uncorroborated testimony, including from the witnesses who were present at the house.

I view it as unproven, and unprovable. Thus, I give benefit of doubt/presumption to Kavanaugh.

You are using corroboration like you know what it means. Her testimony is NOT uncorroborated.

You can see you still aren't sure but her testimony WAS corroborated. Not just with HER corroboration, but also with his (his calendar).

Also his corroborating evidence (his calendar) also shows that his statements were not truthful.
He said he wasn't even in Maryland on the weekends, and that he only drank on the weekends.

Right there on his calendar, it shows him at a party on a week day in Maryland.

If he's such a perjurer, and was caught by his calendar, he could have left the damn thing in his parent's basement, no?

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This is what makes no sense. If he had something to hide, he certainly wouldn't have *voluntarily* supplied his calendars to back up his forceful denial of the assault. Clearly, there is nothing in those calendars that he was trying to keep hidden.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A YLS grad reviews Mark Judges book, Wasted. There’s a lot in the book that matches Bart’s testimony and many of the notes in the yearbook and not in a good way.

https://www.newsweek.com/brett-kavanaugh-investigation-i-read-mark-judges-book-wasted-heres-what-fbi-1151447

direct link to free pdf download:

https://ia902900.us.archive.org/30/items/Wasted_20181003/Wasted.pdf

Lol. Mark Judges terrible teenage memoir— currently out of print— is about to become a NYT #1 bestseller.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

You are right. I should have taken the time to write a proper post. It would be the most profound mistake to confirm him. I cannot see how it cold be allowed. The damage would be profound and irreversible. Kavanaugh would continue to be a problem on the Court.

I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

This cracks me up. Attack a man by accusing him of attempted rape. Have activists make his family's life a living hell. The say he doesn't have the temperament for a judge because he came in swinging to protect himself and his family.

When an innocent man is wrongly accused, that's usually how they react. Ask any police officer as it's one of the things they look for in a suspect when someone is murdered. Guilty people tend to act more like Ford did, i.e. story changes all the time, can't pin down details, say someone can vouch and they can't, etc.

This is exactly correct. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

DP. I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with the idea. But you picked a dud. He blew it. That wasn't the Dems' fault. Just his.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

You are right. I should have taken the time to write a proper post. It would be the most profound mistake to confirm him. I cannot see how it cold be allowed. The damage would be profound and irreversible. Kavanaugh would continue to be a problem on the Court.

I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

Two wrongs do not make it right. Nomination of clean conservative judge is not giving in to the left. It's standing by the rule of law.

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Anonymous wrote:The investigation is a waste of time because the Republicans are going to vote to confirm, they don’t care that he lied unde oath, they don’t care if he attacked a woman, they only care that he is not only conservative but that he will be partisan. We simply need to vote the Republicans out.

I'm just sure you mean, ALLEGEDY attacked a woman. Funny how that one little word changes things.

No, you don't understand. They don't care if it's a proven fact that he attacked a woman. They don't care if he gets drunk and beats his wife every night. They only care that he will uphold what policy Republicans want.

That's just B.S. and you know it. What we have are allegations. Nothing more. If there was incontrovertible proof, that would be that; but that's not what we have, is it?

DP. That's what the investigation is for. But you don't care enough to wait for its conclusion before you rush to judgement.

What are you talking about? *I* haven't rushed to judge anybody. That's the whole point of my post. Right now, all we have are allegations. Nothing to say he did or did not do it. So I'm not about to say he's guilty (as so many of you already have) based on pretty much no real evidence. I'm happy to wait for the FBI to conclude their investigation, and then make up my mind. You don't even need this investigation; you're so certain he's guilty already. Sick.

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I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

DP. I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with the idea. But you picked a dud. He blew it. That wasn't the Dems' fault. Just his.

Bullsh*t. Democrats launched an absolute smear campaign and you know that which is why you disagree with the idea. I'm glad he behaved the way he did. I wish he had gone full-nuclear, frankly. They deserved it full-stop.

You will do the same to the next one. And the next. And the next. It's what the left has devolved into. It's amoral and reprehensible.

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I suspect he will be confirmed.
My only consolation is that if he still drinks alcohol to the extent he allegedly did in HS, college, and law school, eventually, eventually it will be disclosed.
But if he loved the rule of law more than he loves himself, he would withdraw his nomination based on the harm he did at the Thursday hearing to the notions of judicial temperament and neutrality. But he won’t- so now we know even more about him.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

You are right. I should have taken the time to write a proper post. It would be the most profound mistake to confirm him. I cannot see how it cold be allowed. The damage would be profound and irreversible. Kavanaugh would continue to be a problem on the Court.

I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

Two wrongs do not make it right. Nomination of clean conservative judge is not giving in to the left. It's standing by the rule of law.

Clean conservative judge? LOLOL. Where are they in the left's mind? There are none. The only clean conservative judge to a liberal is a liberal judge.

[Anonymous]

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I do not agree. Giving in to this type of terrorism from the left only breeds more.

DP. I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with the idea. But you picked a dud. He blew it. That wasn't the Dems' fault. Just his.

Bullsh*t. Democrats launched an absolute smear campaign and you know that which is why you disagree with the idea. I'm glad he behaved the way he did. I wish he had gone full-nuclear, frankly. They deserved it full-stop.

You will do the same to the next one. And the next. And the next. It's what the left has devolved into. It's amoral and reprehensible.

He did. We'll see what good it did him.

And I'm not a lefty or a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he is rejected . It is better for republicans for mid terms. Will invigorate voters after seeing how Democrats destroyed this man for politics

Be like the health care law. It was better that Obamacare was not overturned

Same thing here , best thing that can happen for republicans is that report shows nothing and Kavanaugh withdraws

Amen

I don't think they have the votes. It will end the same way Harvard did. He really upset the legal community. He will get counseling from his team, then the announcement will follow.

Amen. For all the Devils Triangles and spiked punch talk, what he did in the 80s is irrelevant. Because his behavior at the hearing was absolutely disqualifying. The rudeness, the contempt of members of Congress, his inability to keep his cool, the Cliton conspiracy crap— all of it. And maybe you have to be a member of the legal community to understand it. But if you are going to be a federal judge, you agree to certain guidelines. One is to have a judicial temperament— to be the calmest person in the room, to be the one who diffuses tense situations and reigns people in, and not lose your temper. Another is to avoid even the appearance of partiality or impropriety.

I have seen people say they would be upset too. So would I. But if you can’t hold it together, you are not qualified to be a judge. It’s like being a therapist and not being empathetic. Being a judge is a job the requires certain personality traits.

I have never heard that K has the reputation for being a hot head. So his temper tantrum was shocking. And stupid. I have seen it reported that McGann cleared the room after Fords testimony and told him he had to come out swinging. If true it was terrible advice and complete amateur hour. And it sank the nomination. He would have been hearing cases this week if he had kept his cool.

I work with lawyers from the Federalist society to Berniefan club. And everyone agrees that seating him would seriously damage the legitimacy of the Court and that he should withdraw.

To say the legal community is really upset is an understatement.

Reassuring to hear that the federalist society recognizes his partisan display and his contempt for some senators makes him unfit for this exalted position

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The investigation is a waste of time because the Republicans are going to vote to confirm, they don’t care that he lied unde oath, they don’t care if he attacked a woman, they only care that he is not only conservative but that he will be partisan. We simply need to vote the Republicans out.

I'm just sure you mean, ALLEGEDY attacked a woman. Funny how that one little word changes things.

No, you don't understand. They don't care if it's a proven fact that he attacked a woman. They don't care if he gets drunk and beats his wife every night. They only care that he will uphold what policy Republicans want.

That's just B.S. and you know it. What we have are allegations. Nothing more. If there was incontrovertible proof, that would be that; but that's not what we have, is it?

You still don't understand. They don't care if there were incontrovertible proof. If they had it, they would hide it. If it were made public, they would deny it. That's why they have been rushing this through from the beginning. That's why they are withholding 100,000 documents. That's why they could hold up Merrick Garland for a year but can barely hold up Kavanaugh for a week. That's why they didn't want Mark Judge to testify about it.

And don't tell me what I know or don't know. You don't know me at all. I have my own opinions. You have yours.

Oh, that's rich coming from the poster who said, "No, you don't understand." I understand perfectly, thanks. So you might want to take your own advice.