ECNL moving to school year not calendar

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.

Not in "soccer" aka futbol. Just sayin'.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.

Not in "soccer" aka futbol. Just sayin'.
College soccer gives kids more future opportunities (because of the education) than futbol, the kids and parents know this. And football folks know college is the ticket, not the pros, also.

Some youth soccer umbrella organization was never going to change this by going birth year to copy foreign countries.

Giving up say 5,000 STEM grads for say one Landon Donovan and 4,999 Uber drivers maybe a deal you want but wouldn't be one that most of the 5,000 would take. The opportunity costs are not aligned for pro soccer in the U.S.

Don't blame the player, blame the game.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.

Not in "soccer" aka futbol. Just sayin'.
College soccer gives kids more future opportunities (because of the education) than futbol, the kids and parents know this. And football folks know college is the ticket, not the pros, also.

Some youth soccer umbrella organization was never going to change this by going birth year to copy foreign countries.

Giving up say 5,000 STEM grads for say one Landon Donovan and 4,999 Uber drivers maybe a deal you want but wouldn't be one that most of the 5,000 would take. The opportunity costs are not aligned for pro soccer in the U.S.

Don't blame the player, blame the game.

You sound like the ultimate safety net type of person.

Try hard but not that hard.

Pathetic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.

Not in "soccer" aka futbol. Just sayin'.
College soccer gives kids more future opportunities (because of the education) than futbol, the kids and parents know this. And football folks know college is the ticket, not the pros, also.

Some youth soccer umbrella organization was never going to change this by going birth year to copy foreign countries.

Giving up say 5,000 STEM grads for say one Landon Donovan and 4,999 Uber drivers maybe a deal you want but wouldn't be one that most of the 5,000 would take. The opportunity costs are not aligned for pro soccer in the U.S.

Don't blame the player, blame the game.

You sound like the ultimate safety net type of person.

Try hard but not that hard.

Pathetic.
You got kinda lost there. People aren't using education as a safety net, they are using it as a path that rewards hard work. See the thread on the reasons kids quit soccer.
Anonymous
I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.
Anonymous
If you can list any pro of using BY compared to SY, just notify the ECNL. In their podcast, they clearly indicate SY is better than BY and they will proceed. They hope the other leagues will follow. The vote on Nov. is just a "show". Such an important change has already been communicated and decided along with all the interested parties long before the vote. The "vote" will not have any surprise to anyone involved. My guess is ECNL/GA/DPL will do SY in 25/26. Socal League will be 26/27. MLSN and EA will stay in BY.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.


Ugh why is this so challenging for people to understand. If your child is currently playing with their grade level and the cutoff changes they can always play up to stay with players in their own grade. They are not trapped they have a choice. Currently the trapped players are not ALLOWED to play with their grade level because they are too 'old'. Stop misusing TRAPPED.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.


I think it doesn’t solve the trapped player problem but there will be fewer trapped players because there will be only two months now instead of three in your case. So, when your daughter is in 9th grade, she would have three options:

A) Play up above her age bracket to play on a team with mainly 9th graders
B) Don’t join HS team
C) Join HS team but miss a season
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.


Ugh why is this so challenging for people to understand. If your child is currently playing with their grade level and the cutoff changes they can always play up to stay with players in their own grade. They are not trapped they have a choice. Currently the trapped players are not ALLOWED to play with their grade level because they are too 'old'. Stop misusing TRAPPED.


This is a bit misleading. It’s a choice only if the kid is good enough/well developed to play up the age bracket. So, it’s not 100% based on choices.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.


Ugh why is this so challenging for people to understand. If your child is currently playing with their grade level and the cutoff changes they can always play up to stay with players in their own grade. They are not trapped they have a choice. Currently the trapped players are not ALLOWED to play with their grade level because they are too 'old'. Stop misusing TRAPPED.
Stop being so sensitive. This is fairly nuanced for people, especially ones like me fairly new to travel soccer who have kids in VA that fall into this new window.

That said, your reply actually helped. So, thanks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Denial is real....

No one has provided ANY concrete defense of BY to the ECNL president or leadership other than I don't want my kid to compete....

The ECNL people challenged every BY person in the country to provide a good reason why the change shouldn't happen and no one has taken the challenge.

The vote is going to be approved. The votes are counted. This is a done deal.

No one cares about the first quarter parents and all the crazy controll BS that comes with it.


Who’s denying what?

Both side have equal pros and cons.

If you want SY it’s not because you’re worried your kid will be left without a team. That’s what ECNL told you to think so you are regurgitating what they fed you.

If your kid is a baller, they are a baller no matter the situation.

If your kid is middle of the pack now, they will be middle of the pack in SY team.

Only kids that will benefit are trapped kids that are ballers.

They will be significantly better than the younger and if they choose to play up they will get a chance to play with kids 1 to 2 grades older.
So other than aligning all of our youth soccer teams with Chile, what are the BY benefits? Both sidesism doesn't also work. See Charlottesville.


The benefits of the people don’t matter unfortunately.

Other countries prioritize Pro, pro academies and NT over college…

That’s why they are advanced. This will be a step backwards and putting the power back into colleges..
College has made the U.S. a pretty advanced nation. Just sayin'.

Not in "soccer" aka futbol. Just sayin'.
College soccer gives kids more future opportunities (because of the education) than futbol, the kids and parents know this. And football folks know college is the ticket, not the pros, also.

Some youth soccer umbrella organization was never going to change this by going birth year to copy foreign countries.

Giving up say 5,000 STEM grads for say one Landon Donovan and 4,999 Uber drivers maybe a deal you want but wouldn't be one that most of the 5,000 would take. The opportunity costs are not aligned for pro soccer in the U.S.

Don't blame the player, blame the game.

You sound like the ultimate safety net type of person.

Try hard but not that hard.

Pathetic.
You got kinda lost there. People aren't using education as a safety net, they are using it as a path that rewards hard work. See the thread on the reasons kids quit soccer.


+1 outside the benefits of team sports, physical and mental health,…. The only non-soccer and health related goal I’ve got in supporting my daughter at the level of ECNL is a separate admission line to a college she chooses. Not pros. Not even D1 (that’s up to her). It’s to get her into the best school she can to get the best education.

Could she get in anyway without soccer? Possibly. But the admission line is likely shorter with ECNL/GA so I pay and she plays.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m missing something here, so I need some DCUM help. My daughter turned 11 on September 9th and currently plays on a Virginia based pre-ECNL 2013 team. She’s in 6th grade.

If 8/1 is the new cutoff does that mean she could be on a team with 6th graders next year when she’s in 7th? Meaning now she potentially becomes a trapped player when she wasn’t before?
Not a problem, she can stay on her current team. You can always play up.
Absolutely, but that’s the case now, right?

Unless I’m missing something this feels like (in VA at least where the SY cutoff is 9/30) we’re just moving the trapped player window from 10/1 - 12/31 to 8/1 - 9/30.


Ugh why is this so challenging for people to understand. If your child is currently playing with their grade level and the cutoff changes they can always play up to stay with players in their own grade. They are not trapped they have a choice. Currently the trapped players are not ALLOWED to play with their grade level because they are too 'old'. Stop misusing TRAPPED.


This is a bit misleading. It’s a choice only if the kid is good enough/well developed to play up the age bracket. So, it’s not 100% based on choices.


Completely agree.

This past week my 2012 ECNL daughter played a scrimmage against her sister’s 2010 ECRL trapped players and one impact team. The 2 2010 teams had enough trapped players to field 15 kids.

None of these kids got a choice to play up or down. They are just sitting out a season while the rest of their team plays in HS.
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