Valor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

If the coach is just doing it to make $$ I see no issue. If they are then providing perks like starting and more playing time that's where the issues arise. It's worse when you are paying the Valor 3k to have a parent coach, can't mess with favoritism to ones child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all acting like this is specific to Valor. I know a Herndon coach charging for privates that would use valor fields because it was more convenient. If coaches can get away with using a field at a time that it's not formally reserved they are going to.

No one said it was, chill. There are clubs that do not allow it (LS being one in the area) and will fire coaches if they find out they are doing it for their own players or players they might have the next year. It's a bad thing, though. Any club that does it sucks. A number of top and second team coaches do it at Valor though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

If the coach is just doing it to make $$ I see no issue. If they are then providing perks like starting and more playing time that's where the issues arise. It's worse when you are paying the Valor 3k to have a parent coach, can't mess with favoritism to ones child.

Its unethical to use field permits for youth team practices for private businesses.
Pretty ballsy to chase people off the field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

Your feelings on the issue have no bearing on the fact that it's illegal. These coaches can do this legally, they just don't want to. The "favoritism" issue is a Valor issue. The field usage issue is a Fairfax County issue. One takes precedence and it's not the u11 B team kid who's parent's have been convinced that a private lesson is going to help their kid go pro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

Your feelings on the issue have no bearing on the fact that it's illegal. These coaches can do this legally, they just don't want to. The "favoritism" issue is a Valor issue. The field usage issue is a Fairfax County issue. One takes precedence and it's not the u11 B team kid who's parent's have been convinced that a private lesson is going to help their kid go pro.

That's fair. Perhaps i wrongly assumed the coaches were using the fields at non permit times and were just abusing their job titles to make others think they had priority access. Either way this club is a dumpster fire and the end of spring cannot come soon enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

Your feelings on the issue have no bearing on the fact that it's illegal. These coaches can do this legally, they just don't want to. The "favoritism" issue is a Valor issue. The field usage issue is a Fairfax County issue. One takes precedence and it's not the u11 B team kid who's parent's have been convinced that a private lesson is going to help their kid go pro.

That's fair. Perhaps i wrongly assumed the coaches were using the fields at non permit times and were just abusing their job titles to make others think they had priority access. Either way this club is a dumpster fire and the end of spring cannot come soon enough.

CYA convincing SYA to merge for travel soccer was one of the worse decisions PE allowed to happen. The club pretty much is CYA. Zero development, zero accountability, retention of terrible coaches and the only players they are attracting shouldn't be playing travel soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

Your feelings on the issue have no bearing on the fact that it's illegal. These coaches can do this legally, they just don't want to. The "favoritism" issue is a Valor issue. The field usage issue is a Fairfax County issue. One takes precedence and it's not the u11 B team kid who's parent's have been convinced that a private lesson is going to help their kid go pro.

That's fair. Perhaps i wrongly assumed the coaches were using the fields at non permit times and were just abusing their job titles to make others think they had priority access. Either way this club is a dumpster fire and the end of spring cannot come soon enough.

CYA convincing SYA to merge for travel soccer was one of the worse decisions PE allowed to happen. The club pretty much is CYA. Zero development, zero accountability, retention of terrible coaches and the only players they are attracting shouldn't be playing travel soccer.

Yup!!!!! Pretty much sums it up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So we're with Valor *gasp* I know. Our age group has multiple players moving UP and DOWN mid season. This is below U13, so don't know about other age groups. These moves were NOT by parent's requests. From what we can tell the moves were warranted. Our player was not one of those moved, but we had a player move up from our team and another move down to us from the team above.

Our experience has been a good one so far, but it's a big club so I imagine opinions will vary.

again not a thing in younger age groups. Teams are lumped together and then they recruit from rec to fill rosters. The earlier kids signed up will generally work out with top coach.. and Kids rotate around. Its not till 9v9 when the teams really form. The appearance of a team color is to make mommy and daddy feel good.

You have fully made up this little narrative. No longer in 7v7 but this does not match up AT ALL with what happened when our child was that age. I suspect this is what you are telling yourself so you feel better that your kid was on a lower team and never got moved up. It’s totally because you signed up later. Sure buddy…

And another thing: it’s possible that more kids on the top team signed up earlier because they got offers after one tryout, whereas other kids didn’t get an offer for a while because coaches were less sure about them. Kids who get offers later are obviously going to sign up later, because of the whole supposed “48 hrs to make a decision” window all clubs try to do. I know for a fact that someone on the lowest team in my child’s age group didn’t get an offer until like a week after tryouts ended. Obviously that kid wasn’t a top priority for them, but rather made sense to offer them as other kids declined and they decided to make an additional team (which I don’t think Valor should do, it’s a money grab and some parents don’t know that). This isn’t rocket science!

I know few parents that held out for 30+ days after tryout and didn't even respond since the offer was insulting in the first place considering the level of performance of the player. They ended up with another club on a much better team up in the divisions. Valor still ended up calling them hoping for their money.

[Anonymous]

Ha! Just saw this. We got a third team offer for my dc, there wasn't even a coach hired at tryouts, never responded, and then started getting emails in August from some dude they just hired (in August) about team practice. We never even paid or acknowledge the offer in any way. Talk about desperate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha! Just saw this. We got a third team offer for my dc, there wasn't even a coach hired at tryouts, never responded, and then started getting emails in August from some dude they just hired (in August) about team practice. We never even paid or acknowledge the offer in any way. Talk about desperate.

Ha! Was it u11G?! Tell me it was!!!

[Anonymous]

And who did you end up with if you decided to go travel soccer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! Just saw this. We got a third team offer for my dc, there wasn't even a coach hired at tryouts, never responded, and then started getting emails in August from some dude they just hired (in August) about team practice. We never even paid or acknowledge the offer in any way. Talk about desperate.

Ha! Was it u11G?! Tell me it was!!!

That age group is mentioned quite often. Are other age groups not as bad?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rec kids shouldn't be practicing on turf anyway. It should be reserved for higher level play. Grass field is fine for rec.

This guy 🤣🤣. My kids pre-academy team mainly plays on grass, occasionally on turf and indoor futsal. He started low in the division, more like the last division in after his first year of travel from transitioning from rec (Not Valor). Arguably, since then, he made it to a top team thats sitting within 75-80% of the 100 teams in his age group. Turf or grass it doesn't matter, shoes or no shoes, but to say whats what in terms of ownership is completely stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha! Just saw this. We got a third team offer for my dc, there wasn't even a coach hired at tryouts, never responded, and then started getting emails in August from some dude they just hired (in August) about team practice. We never even paid or acknowledge the offer in any way. Talk about desperate.

Ha! Was it u11G?! Tell me it was!!!

That age group is mentioned quite often. Are other age groups not as bad?

No, they are all terrible, u11g just likely has unhappy parents who happen to post here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issue with a coach trying to earn an extra dollar by private coaching kids from other teams. For example- a boy getting lessons from a girl team coach. I do have issues with a coach giving paid private lessons to a kid that they coach or currently coaching same age group. That just seems like a recipe for disaster (favoritism -> parents feeling pressured to pay to play). Just wanted to make sure that we are all pointing our fingers at the latter.

Your feelings on the issue have no bearing on the fact that it's illegal. These coaches can do this legally, they just don't want to. The "favoritism" issue is a Valor issue. The field usage issue is a Fairfax County issue. One takes precedence and it's not the u11 B team kid who's parent's have been convinced that a private lesson is going to help their kid go pro.

That's fair. Perhaps i wrongly assumed the coaches were using the fields at non permit times and were just abusing their job titles to make others think they had priority access. Either way this club is a dumpster fire and the end of spring cannot come soon enough.

CYA convincing SYA to merge for travel soccer was one of the worse decisions PE allowed to happen. The club pretty much is CYA. Zero development, zero accountability, retention of terrible coaches and the only players they are attracting shouldn't be playing travel soccer.

Travel soccer is about $$$$$$ not skills. In other parts of the country, it is not like this.