APS - why are teachers so terrified?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not forgiven. Don’t talk about other people’s kids. Of course you noticed “other people’s kids” who struggled. But you don’t need to come talk about it and label them and say you’re relieved they’re not coming into your kid’s in person class. It’s crappy.

Exactly. It’s one thing to have observed. It’s another to label and be relieved that they aren’t going back. Those are the kids who need it more than your spawn.

Where was I relieved? I know you need to think that I’m some outlier weirdo, but I’m not. If this wasn’t completely anonymous I would say any of this

That’s because you know it’s wrong.

“ The remaining class will actually be easier to manage now. ”

Is that untrue?

We have no clue. That’s the point. You’re assuming a couple kids needing more help counting makes the class unmanageable. That isn’t a given. But you clearly don’t see anything wrong with your comments no matter how many of us point it out so whatever.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if you are teaching early elementary remotely there are parents listening. Because of this we know who is constantly being told to put their toys away and who goes MIA during the school day. Is this an invasion of privacy? Yes! Get them back in school and it will stop! I’m sorry you don’t like to think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not forgiven. Don’t talk about other people’s kids. Of course you noticed “other people’s kids” who struggled. But you don’t need to come talk about it and label them and say you’re relieved they’re not coming into your kid’s in person class. It’s crappy.

Exactly. It’s one thing to have observed. It’s another to label and be relieved that they aren’t going back. Those are the kids who need it more than your spawn.

Where was I relieved? I know you need to think that I’m some outlier weirdo, but I’m not. If this wasn’t completely anonymous I would say any of this

That’s because you know it’s wrong.

“ The remaining class will actually be easier to manage now. ”

Is that untrue?

We have no clue. That’s the point. You’re assuming a couple kids needing more help counting makes the class unmanageable. That isn’t a given. But you clearly don’t see anything wrong with your comments no matter how many of us point it out so whatever.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if you are teaching early elementary remotely there are parents listening. Because of this we know who is constantly being told to put their toys away and who goes MIA during the school day. Is this an invasion of privacy? Yes! Get them back in school and it will stop! I’m sorry you don’t like to think about it.

You’re deflecting and blame shifting. Nobody ever told you to come on the Internet and label other people’s kids “low.” You chose to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not forgiven. Don’t talk about other people’s kids. Of course you noticed “other people’s kids” who struggled. But you don’t need to come talk about it and label them and say you’re relieved they’re not coming into your kid’s in person class. It’s crappy.

Exactly. It’s one thing to have observed. It’s another to label and be relieved that they aren’t going back. Those are the kids who need it more than your spawn.

Where was I relieved? I know you need to think that I’m some outlier weirdo, but I’m not. If this wasn’t completely anonymous I would say any of this

That’s because you know it’s wrong.

“ The remaining class will actually be easier to manage now. ”

Is that untrue?

We have no clue. That’s the point. You’re assuming a couple kids needing more help counting makes the class unmanageable. That isn’t a given. But you clearly don’t see anything wrong with your comments no matter how many of us point it out so whatever.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if you are teaching early elementary remotely there are parents listening. Because of this we know who is constantly being told to put their toys away and who goes MIA during the school day. Is this an invasion of privacy? Yes! Get them back in school and it will stop! I’m sorry you don’t like to think about it.

You’re deflecting and blame shifting. Nobody ever told you to come on the Internet and label other people’s kids “low.” You chose to do that.

Is every kid in the class at the same level? No. Whatever you want to call the kids at the least advanced side of the continuum - they are not coming in person this week in my kids class even though they would really benefit from it. That’s unfortunate, but it makes the rest of the class easier to teach because it is more homogeneous. Are you saying that’s not the truth? It’s easier to teach more kids who are are more varied than fewer kids that are closer in current level?

[Anonymous]

Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not forgiven. Don’t talk about other people’s kids. Of course you noticed “other people’s kids” who struggled. But you don’t need to come talk about it and label them and say you’re relieved they’re not coming into your kid’s in person class. It’s crappy.

Exactly. It’s one thing to have observed. It’s another to label and be relieved that they aren’t going back. Those are the kids who need it more than your spawn.

Where was I relieved? I know you need to think that I’m some outlier weirdo, but I’m not. If this wasn’t completely anonymous I would say any of this

That’s because you know it’s wrong.

“ The remaining class will actually be easier to manage now. ”

Is that untrue?

We have no clue. That’s the point. You’re assuming a couple kids needing more help counting makes the class unmanageable. That isn’t a given. But you clearly don’t see anything wrong with your comments no matter how many of us point it out so whatever.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if you are teaching early elementary remotely there are parents listening. Because of this we know who is constantly being told to put their toys away and who goes MIA during the school day. Is this an invasion of privacy? Yes! Get them back in school and it will stop! I’m sorry you don’t like to think about it.

You’re deflecting and blame shifting. Nobody ever told you to come on the Internet and label other people’s kids “low.” You chose to do that.

Is every kid in the class at the same level? No. Whatever you want to call the kids at the least advanced side of the continuum - they are not coming in person this week in my kids class even though they would really benefit from it. That’s unfortunate, but it makes the rest of the class easier to teach because it is more homogeneous. Are you saying that’s not the truth? It’s easier to teach more kids who are are more varied than fewer kids that are closer in current level?

All of the reasons why you wouldn’t say this in person are the same reasons why you shouldn’t say it here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

+1 million

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not forgiven. Don’t talk about other people’s kids. Of course you noticed “other people’s kids” who struggled. But you don’t need to come talk about it and label them and say you’re relieved they’re not coming into your kid’s in person class. It’s crappy.

Exactly. It’s one thing to have observed. It’s another to label and be relieved that they aren’t going back. Those are the kids who need it more than your spawn.

Where was I relieved? I know you need to think that I’m some outlier weirdo, but I’m not. If this wasn’t completely anonymous I would say any of this

That’s because you know it’s wrong.

“ The remaining class will actually be easier to manage now. ”

Is that untrue?

We have no clue. That’s the point. You’re assuming a couple kids needing more help counting makes the class unmanageable. That isn’t a given. But you clearly don’t see anything wrong with your comments no matter how many of us point it out so whatever.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if you are teaching early elementary remotely there are parents listening. Because of this we know who is constantly being told to put their toys away and who goes MIA during the school day. Is this an invasion of privacy? Yes! Get them back in school and it will stop! I’m sorry you don’t like to think about it.

You’re deflecting and blame shifting. Nobody ever told you to come on the Internet and label other people’s kids “low.” You chose to do that.

Is every kid in the class at the same level? No. Whatever you want to call the kids at the least advanced side of the continuum - they are not coming in person this week in my kids class even though they would really benefit from it. That’s unfortunate, but it makes the rest of the class easier to teach because it is more homogeneous. Are you saying that’s not the truth? It’s easier to teach more kids who are are more varied than fewer kids that are closer in current level?

All of the reasons why you wouldn’t say this in person are the same reasons why you shouldn’t say it here.

Why not? I’ve told no lies. You want to believe that kindergartners magically sit and pay attention to their iPads and have all the supplies they need at their fingertips with no adult monitoring at home. You can’t have it both ways. I now know way too much about these kids. No one is going to tell you that to your face so I’m telling you now. Unintended consequences I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

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Get your class out of my house and I won’t know who is struggling. This is the reality of every virtual class, even yours!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

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Get your class out of my house and I won’t know who is struggling. This is the reality of every virtual class, even yours!

You refuse to see the point. More than one parent here has told you you’re wrong for talking about other kids like this. Noticing it is one thing. Bringing it here and labeling kids as being “low” and saying them not being in your kids class makes things better is gross. Nothing you say changes that. Lashing out at teachers doesn’t change it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

+1 million

Get your class out of my house and I won’t know who is struggling. This is the reality of every virtual class, even yours!

You refuse to see the point. More than one parent here has told you you’re wrong for talking about other kids like this. Noticing it is one thing. Bringing it here and labeling kids as being “low” and saying them not being in your kids class makes things better is gross. Nothing you say changes that. Lashing out at teachers doesn’t change it.

I notice that you are attacking me as the messenger vs. addressing whether or not what I am saying is true. I never said I liked it or that I am excited about the outcome.

[Anonymous]

Because teachers will be in a classroom with subpar ventilation and mostly windows that don't open with students who may or may not be willing to keep their masks in, with a few parents who send sick kids to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Stop. I am not arguing about your perception of the other kids in your kid’s class. You are really awful. Seriously.

+1 million

Get your class out of my house and I won’t know who is struggling. This is the reality of every virtual class, even yours!

You refuse to see the point. More than one parent here has told you you’re wrong for talking about other kids like this. Noticing it is one thing. Bringing it here and labeling kids as being “low” and saying them not being in your kids class makes things better is gross. Nothing you say changes that. Lashing out at teachers doesn’t change it.

I notice that you are attacking me as the messenger vs. addressing whether or not what I am saying is true. I never said I liked it or that I am excited about the outcome.

I am attacking the messenger. Because you are delivering a BAD message. YOU do not get to decide what the academic achievements, needs, strengths, weaknesses are of kids who you have listened to in online class. You do not. I don’t dignify your message because I don’t talk sh*t about other people’s kids. I don’t know them. I don’t get to pass judgement on them or decide whether they should or shouldn’t have gone in person or if they’re the lowest 4 or the highest 4. Try it sometime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because teachers will be in a classroom with subpar ventilation and mostly windows that don't open with students who may or may not be willing to keep their masks in, with a few parents who send sick kids to school.

And that's why we have masks, teacher can double up if that makes them feel better

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. If the parents can act like hysterical, irrational a-holes, then I think we can cut the teachers some slack here.

Yep - totally agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, either. I don't understand why a parent, after hearing one young, inexperienced teacher talk to one 2nd grade class in APS, would assume that ALL APS teachers are "terrified."

If you have a complaint about this teacher scaring 2nd graders, take it up with the AP or principal. But FFS, do not assume that all teachers are in agreement with this teacher.

Have you seen the social media posts and the teachers speaking at school board meetings? It may not be all, but there is a large cohort who expects significant numbers of teachers and their family members to die within a week of reopening.

It’s like the same five people.

They aren't really afraid of dying within a week of reopening. They just don't want to deal with the hassle of actually leaving their houses and getting to their places of employment.

It’s going to be such a bummer for you when this is all over and your gripes will need to get more creative.

I’m a teacher and I have to say, there is a kernel of truth to PP’s statement. I have several colleagues who are largely irritated to be back. Not because they feel unsafe. But because home was convenient and they don’t see this amount of kids as worth going in. I hate to say it and it’s not the MAJORITY. But this is true in some cases. Most of us , once we hit the vaccine we were good to go and happy to return. The ones still pushing back on a return have different reasons but this definitely one of them.

I'm glad teachers can get vaccinated, but am still frustrated that there are teachers who don't want to return when there is a vaccine that they have priority for. My federal agency returned to work ages ago without a vaccine. Our solution for social distancing involves shift schedules that start at 4am. I get to do this then come home and take over classroom proctoring.

You might work at the same place as my spouse. 4am shift. He won't get the vaccine for months, probably.

This is one of the many reasons parents are furious that many teachers don't want to return. Many people didn't have a choice, couldn't advocate for HEPA filters before returning, weren't able to get a vaccine, etc etc. They either went back to work or were forced to quit. The educational system has been so different for reasons I can't understand.

But that guy DOES have a choice. And he chose to begin work at 4 am. I begin work at 5 am. And then I, too, switch shifts in the schoolroom with my spouse. I'm not grousing about it at all. Seems like this guy is a complainer and a whiner.

The posts didn't say anyone chose a 4 AM shift, it said the solution "involved 4 am shifts." These workers had to return, unvaccinated, and we have no idea whether they had their pick of shifts, were assigned, or had to compromise with others to maintain coverage. I feel like some of these posts implying that everyone else has more options than teachers are bordering on ridiculousness.

My heart breaks for those people. However, I know plenty of federal workers that are working from home and have wanted schools open since CoVID first happened. Whatever... this is over now.

Wow almost like the federal government is a massive employer with workers in all different kinds of jobs. The Capitol police officers are federal employees. So are the secret service. So are the FDA folks working on vaccines. So are some of the National Mall groundskeepers. So are all the lawyers on DCUM who are working from home saying they can live "perfectly comfortably" on a mere $300k.

That is like saying "ok so I get that nurses in covid wards took a lot of risks during the pandemic, but my kid's speech therapist is still doing telehealth." ....Ok? People have different jobs?

Correct - many federal employees have been required to come into the office for work, particularly in the national security and law enforcement agencies. There has even been press coverage about the fact there have been issues with people not wearing masks at some agencies. Don't assume all federal employees are all safe at home simply because you don't want to go back into the classroom. I have actually understood why teachers are apprehensive about going back in. But don't act like you have the only jobs that have required in person work.

And many feds who previously worked in person have NOT been required to work in person. You know, just like teachers.