"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch - Trump and his "task force" including Novarro are going to make sure ample testing supplies go directly to red states, just as PPE was directed to red states.

Has California Governor Gavin Newsom not received what he’s asked for?

Not even close. Are you not seeing the articles about hospitals and blue states needing national guard troops to protect their ordered goods from DHS seizure? This is happening all over th country where the "brown shirts" are basically pirating needed supplies.

Feel free to cite such an article from a reputable news entity that does not have a partisan agenda. CNN would be fine. TIA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, there is NO easy way to handle this.

We can't open up now. And we most likely can't open up next month either. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We also can't lock everyone up for 18 months either. People will go broke, commit suicide or want to kill their domestic partners from cabin fever and isolation. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We need a couple months more of stay at home. While we build up hospital infrastructure and ramp up production of testing supplies.

Then we'll need to make tradeoffs for different kinds of personal freedoms. Want to go out and see your friends? Fine, but you have to get a negative covid test first and if anyone shows symptoms, you have to take down names. The more we allow mobility, the more we may need to allow tracking and surveillance. Want to travel? Now you need medical testing to get a visa.

It is going to be HARD. Until there is a vaccine, there is GOING to be varying degrees of restriction, surveillance, repeated testing, and opening and closing of things periodically to make sure that the number of cases does not outpace hospital capacity.

Yeah, sure.

We're reopening May 15 regardless of what happens.

Who is "we"?

I'm not going into work on May 15, no way. I can do my job 100% at home, and I'm not going in until it's safe.
Nor am I sending my kids back to school until I'm sure it's safe.
I'm not going shopping, to movies, to parties, to meetings, to church, traveling, eating in restaurants, etc., until I'm sure it's safe.

You can experiment with your own life, but I'm not experimenting with mine or with my family's lives.

Depends on what your management tells you to do, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Let the lawsuits begin!! If employers force workers back and those workers get infected, watch out!! The lawyers will be piling on fighting each other over the lawsuits, and there will be zillions of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Everyone should wear their face coverups like DC mayor said to, and keep your distance!

How do you keep your distance on crowded trains? On buses? Please, explain this to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that there must be someone in the Trump administration who believes that summer weather will mitigate the contagiousness of the virus. The science on that is mixed, at best, with more scientists seeming to think it will not make a material difference. In any event, absent a vaccine (and there won't be one for 12-18 months), the virus would come roaring back in or around September. But I honestly don't know what to do about a collapsing economy that seems to have little more going for it now than sales of food, toilet paper, and curbside delivery. The elites ("ruling" class) will always do whatever it takes to remain on top of the socioeconomic pyramid as they see it.

You are making a HUGE assumption that a vaccine will be developed that will be effective at protecting people from infection with covid19.

That's an enormous assumption because some diseases can't be prevented by vaccination. In 40 years, no effective vaccine against HIV has been developed. Yes, there are treatments that keep HIV infection at bay, but there's no vaccine and no cure.

There may never be an effective vaccine against covid19, so you can't count on a vaccine to end this pandemic. And you definitely can't count on a vaccine in the next year or so. Contact tracing, isolation and social distancing are all we have right now to fight this pandemic. Oh, and testing, testing, testing.

Even a third grader could explain the basic differences between HIV and this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Everyone should wear their face coverups like DC mayor said to, and keep your distance!

How do you keep your distance on crowded trains? On buses? Please, explain this to me.

DP. Upper middle class white people carefully bunkered/teleworking on their couches don’t take the Metro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Let the lawsuits begin!! If employers force workers back and those workers get infected, watch out!! The lawyers will be piling on fighting each other over the lawsuits, and there will be zillions of them.

I can't wait. My employers have no idea I have enough money to leave and sue. I'm not risking my health just so someone's bonus can be bigger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.

I agree. All Trump supporters should go back to work and out in the community first, to sacrifice themselves for their country and their beloved inept leader.

But they will come home and spread infection to their innocent children and elderly relatives. Trump supporters can sacrifice themselves if they wish to, but it's unfair to people who have no choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Let the lawsuits begin!! If employers force workers back and those workers get infected, watch out!! The lawyers will be piling on fighting each other over the lawsuits, and there will be zillions of them.

That’s absolutely possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.

I agree. All Trump supporters should go back to work and out in the community first, to sacrifice themselves for their country and their beloved inept leader.

But they will come home and spread infection to their innocent children and elderly relatives. Trump supporters can sacrifice themselves if they wish to, but it's unfair to people who have no choice.

Do you feel the same way about the essential workers providing your toilet paper and produce?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Let the lawsuits begin!! If employers force workers back and those workers get infected, watch out!! The lawyers will be piling on fighting each other over the lawsuits, and there will be zillions of them.

I can't wait. My employers have no idea I have enough money to leave and sue. I'm not risking my health just so someone's bonus can be bigger.

Hey, your lawyer will thank you too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there must be someone in the Trump administration who believes that summer weather will mitigate the contagiousness of the virus. The science on that is mixed, at best, with more scientists seeming to think it will not make a material difference. In any event, absent a vaccine (and there won't be one for 12-18 months), the virus would come roaring back in or around September. But I honestly don't know what to do about a collapsing economy that seems to have little more going for it now than sales of food, toilet paper, and curbside delivery. The elites ("ruling" class) will always do whatever it takes to remain on top of the socioeconomic pyramid as they see it.

You are making a HUGE assumption that a vaccine will be developed that will be effective at protecting people from infection with covid19.

That's an enormous assumption because some diseases can't be prevented by vaccination. In 40 years, no effective vaccine against HIV has been developed. Yes, there are treatments that keep HIV infection at bay, but there's no vaccine and no cure.

There may never be an effective vaccine against covid19, so you can't count on a vaccine to end this pandemic. And you definitely can't count on a vaccine in the next year or so. Contact tracing, isolation and social distancing are all we have right now to fight this pandemic. Oh, and testing, testing, testing.

Even a third grader could explain the basic differences between HIV and this.

Ehh you could make the same case with the flu. There’s a vaccine but still multiple strains of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Let the lawsuits begin!! If employers force workers back and those workers get infected, watch out!! The lawyers will be piling on fighting each other over the lawsuits, and there will be zillions of them.

Why stop there? Why not lawsuits against the individual spreader?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there must be someone in the Trump administration who believes that summer weather will mitigate the contagiousness of the virus. The science on that is mixed, at best, with more scientists seeming to think it will not make a material difference. In any event, absent a vaccine (and there won't be one for 12-18 months), the virus would come roaring back in or around September. But I honestly don't know what to do about a collapsing economy that seems to have little more going for it now than sales of food, toilet paper, and curbside delivery. The elites ("ruling" class) will always do whatever it takes to remain on top of the socioeconomic pyramid as they see it.

You are making a HUGE assumption that a vaccine will be developed that will be effective at protecting people from infection with covid19.

That's an enormous assumption because some diseases can't be prevented by vaccination. In 40 years, no effective vaccine against HIV has been developed. Yes, there are treatments that keep HIV infection at bay, but there's no vaccine and no cure.

There may never be an effective vaccine against covid19, so you can't count on a vaccine to end this pandemic. And you definitely can't count on a vaccine in the next year or so. Contact tracing, isolation and social distancing are all we have right now to fight this pandemic. Oh, and testing, testing, testing.

Even a third grader could explain the basic differences between HIV and this.

Ehh you could make the same case with the flu. There’s a vaccine but still multiple strains of it.

It’s much better than nothing, no?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch - Trump and his "task force" including Novarro are going to make sure ample testing supplies go directly to red states, just as PPE was directed to red states.

Has California Governor Gavin Newsom not received what he’s asked for?

Not even close. Are you not seeing the articles about hospitals and blue states needing national guard troops to protect their ordered goods from DHS seizure? This is happening all over th country where the "brown shirts" are basically pirating needed supplies.

Feel free to cite such an article from a reputable news entity that does not have a partisan agenda. CNN would be fine. TIA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html

In Massachusetts, state leaders said they had confirmed a vast order of personal protective equipment for their health workers; then the Trump administration took control of the shipments.

In Kentucky, the head of a hospital system told members of Congress that his broker had pulled out of an agreement to deliver four shipments of desperately needed medical gear after the supplies were commandeered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Gov. Jared Polis of Colorado thought his state had secured 500 ventilators before they were “swept up by FEMA.”