MCPS schools are segregated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s some advice. Your cause is being heard. MCPS and county residents are listening to you. Really listening.

Don’t snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by calling everyone a racist or segregationist. Or is it racist to use a sports analogy?

Nobody is calling everyone a racist or segregationist, so we don't have to be concerned about that.

[Anonymous]

Whatever. I’ve tried. Take or leave my advice, but I hope you’ll think about it.

Words have power. They lose that power when overused and become diluted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?

This thread, and the whole debate over boundaries, would be so much more interesting if PP would quit calling everyone either a segregationist or a racist. Or perhaps that’s why OP started the thread.

OP, there are people who want to hear what you have to say and talk about the boundary analysis. Labeling is going to shut down that conversation. If you are or were a student in MCPS, I expect better of you. You can save that for the real racists. They are out there and calling everyone a racist gives them cover.

Even the real racists get upset these days when they get called racist.

Not calling racism racism, for fear of upsetting the racists, is not a strategy that has worked out very well. Let's try the strategy of calling racism racism, for a change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?

Can you point out a pro-segregation post?

Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.

Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.

1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse

I was surprised up front a lot of real estate people were about school boundaries and race while homeshopping. They would mention inappropriate conduct of other realtors. I think it made a difference that my agent was an immigrant.

DP

We have bought and sold a few times and I find the ‘immigrant’ realtors are way more up front about the student population and race. They’re not as scared to be honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?

This thread, and the whole debate over boundaries, would be so much more interesting if PP would quit calling everyone either a segregationist or a racist. Or perhaps that’s why OP started the thread.

OP, there are people who want to hear what you have to say and talk about the boundary analysis. Labeling is going to shut down that conversation. If you are or were a student in MCPS, I expect better of you. You can save that for the real racists. They are out there and calling everyone a racist gives them cover.

It's not just one PP, and it's not "everyone" who is being called a segregationist.

There are posts on this thread that actually support segregation. Or at minimum do not have any objections to segregation. People who have these opinions are segregationists. If you don't want to people to call you a segregationist, then you can start by not defending segregation.

That word - segregation. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?

This thread, and the whole debate over boundaries, would be so much more interesting if PP would quit calling everyone either a segregationist or a racist. Or perhaps that’s why OP started the thread.

OP, there are people who want to hear what you have to say and talk about the boundary analysis. Labeling is going to shut down that conversation. If you are or were a student in MCPS, I expect better of you. You can save that for the real racists. They are out there and calling everyone a racist gives them cover.

It's not just one PP, and it's not "everyone" who is being called a segregationist.

There are posts on this thread that actually support segregation. Or at minimum do not have any objections to segregation. People who have these opinions are segregationists. If you don't want to people to call you a segregationist, then you can start by not defending segregation.

That word - segregation. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Yes, it does. It's not limited to George Wallace in 1963.

[Anonymous]

I think calling someone a segregationist because they bought a house so their kids could attend a certain school then getting upset when that might change is wrong. Calling someone a segregationist implies they want a systemic race sorting. That's not what anyone wants and no one is advocating.

If people really think we need better racial mixing then there are a lot of ESOL immigrants that need to attend schools that have a lot of African American kids and vice versa. I think we need to be very careful making assumptions that the wealthy are going to be spread across the county because there are a lot of schools that have percentages that could be changed and would involve kids moving from one of the lower performing school to another.

Paint Branch HS has too many black kids so about half of them should be shipped down Randolph Rd to a HS with fewer black kids. Nevermind that would take an hour in traffic, we MUST balance the races!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

I think the point is that economics drives housing costs based on supply and demand. EVERYONE has to choose a place to live based on those market forces. Do you think most people in Clarksburg like spending hours commuting? No, they chose an area that had the nicest home and amenities that they could afford, given the trade-offs of commute. NO one has the right to live in any given neighborhood or community, especially when they are asking taxpayers to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

I think the point is that economics drives housing costs based on supply and demand. EVERYONE has to choose a place to live based on those market forces. Do you think most people in Clarksburg like spending hours commuting? No, they chose an area that had the nicest home and amenities that they could afford, given the trade-offs of commute. NO one has the right to live in any given neighborhood or community, especially when they are asking taxpayers to pay for it.

Who has said that people do?

[Anonymous]

Here's what will happen, all the wealthy kids that are "shipped off" to the poorer performing schools will perform better on tests and take all the seats in the AP and honors classes. The original kids in the district won't have the option of taking AP and honors classes any longer. You'll have a school within a school like some of the poor performing Virginia schools. Explain to me, how will you prevent this from happening:

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/manassas/1049-Osbourn-High-School/?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Race_ethnicity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think calling someone a segregationist because they bought a house so their kids could attend a certain school then getting upset when that might change is wrong. Calling someone a segregationist implies they want a systemic race sorting. That's not what anyone wants and no one is advocating.

If people really think we need better racial mixing then there are a lot of ESOL immigrants that need to attend schools that have a lot of African American kids and vice versa. I think we need to be very careful making assumptions that the wealthy are going to be spread across the county because there are a lot of schools that have percentages that could be changed and would involve kids moving from one of the lower performing school to another.

Paint Branch HS has too many black kids so about half of them should be shipped down Randolph Rd to a HS with fewer black kids. Nevermind that would take an hour in traffic, we MUST balance the races!

Calling someone a segregationist implies that they don't object to segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's what will happen, all the wealthy kids that are "shipped off" to the poorer performing schools will perform better on tests and take all the seats in the AP and honors classes. The original kids in the district won't have the option of taking AP and honors classes any longer. You'll have a school within a school like some of the poor performing Virginia schools. Explain to me, how will you prevent this from happening:

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/manassas/1049-Osbourn-High-School/?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Race_ethnicity

That's not how it works in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what will happen, all the wealthy kids that are "shipped off" to the poorer performing schools will perform better on tests and take all the seats in the AP and honors classes. The original kids in the district won't have the option of taking AP and honors classes any longer. You'll have a school within a school like some of the poor performing Virginia schools. Explain to me, how will you prevent this from happening:

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/manassas/1049-Osbourn-High-School/?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Race_ethnicity

That's not how it works in MCPS.

Right so every class will be AP...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what will happen, all the wealthy kids that are "shipped off" to the poorer performing schools will perform better on tests and take all the seats in the AP and honors classes. The original kids in the district won't have the option of taking AP and honors classes any longer. You'll have a school within a school like some of the poor performing Virginia schools. Explain to me, how will you prevent this from happening:

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/manassas/1049-Osbourn-High-School/?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=Permalink#Race_ethnicity

That's not how it works in MCPS.

So address the link, how do you stop the white and Asian kids from performing better than the black and brown kids? This is about wealth and not about race. You can’t make poor kids magically rich. That’s not how it works and taking all the honors slots away from them won’t help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

I think the point is that economics drives housing costs based on supply and demand. EVERYONE has to choose a place to live based on those market forces. Do you think most people in Clarksburg like spending hours commuting? No, they chose an area that had the nicest home and amenities that they could afford, given the trade-offs of commute. NO one has the right to live in any given neighborhood or community, especially when they are asking taxpayers to pay for it.

Who has said that people do?

Multiple posts upthread from the same couple of people who want to add low income housing throughout the wealthiest parts of the county to “desegregate”.