How much do you pay for in-home care for an infant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The woman actually says in her blog:
I used to scoop poop from underwear of children who were not making it to the potty. Now I simply remove the clothes, poop and all, and place them in a grocery bag. At pick-up I hand over the package and request that tomorrow the child arrive in their Pull-up. It doesn't take long for a parent to meet the request when they go home and discover a warm, six hour old poop that has been sealed in a plastic bag. Hey, tough love is tough.

What an asshole.

You left out the part that Mommy insists little Johnny is potty trained when really that translates to: I want you to do it so I'm gonna send him in cloth underwear and let him pee and poop all over your floors until you finally get the child trained. But don't worry, when he's at home I'll put him in a pull-up, can't have PEE on MY furniture!

She didn't "leave out" anything. That's lifted from Judy's Mein Daycare Kampf. Take it up with your fearless leader if you feel something's been omitted.

You obviously do understand inference. The PP thinks Judy is an asshole because when a child pooped in his underwear, Judy bags it up as is and sends it home rather than scooping it out. What you don't seem able to comprehend because you have no context (which a PP provided later) or are unable to infer is that for some reason, some parents insist their child is potty trained when the child is not. The parent sends the child to school with no pull up or diaper on. Subsequently, the child poops/pees in his pants and the provider must clean up not only the child and clothes but also must disinfect the area with a commercial or homemade bleach based product. It's incredibly unsanitary, disruptive, disgusting, labor intensive time waster and completely preventable. It also unfairly takes time away from the other children. I also infer from Judy's "tough love" comment that she has previously discussed this with the parents and they continue the practice. Since they didn't seem to understand what Judy was talking about, like a good teacher, she sought a more effective approach. "Tough love" is giving them the bagged poop and clothes to deal with. It probably made a greater impression upon the parents than the verbal feedback Judy provided earlier. A point the other poster made is that it's unlikely the parents allow their untrained child to go around their house without a pull up on. If they had, they'd realize their child isn't ready for underwear. The only reason I can see for them to send that child to daycare in underwear is that their are, in fact, hoping Judy will potty train their child. That is not her job and it's incredibly disrespect to behave the way they have. I'm a parent and I see nothing wrong with Judy's behavior.

[Anonymous]

Funny stuff.

I like how there appears to be only one correct response, which boils down to the same tired old "parents = bad, providers = good" song. The only "inferences" to be made here, a leap not supported by Judy's or the PP's words, are that parents are demanding she potty train their child, putting the child in underwear at daycare but pull-ups at home. Some daycares DO potty train, actually, and accidents WILL happen after you transition to underwear. Based on what am I to "infer" that Judy is a kind and compassionate teacher as she strips my child down and shoves his soiled clothes into a garbage bag to sit all day? Certainly not her own words and attitude.

But whatever. It's a pointless discussion. Judy's not in this area - by her own admission she just popped on to stir up trouble - and I'd never let her near my kids anyway.

[Anonymous]

The reason that she is an asshole is not that she sends home poopy clothes, it's that she clearly doesn't warn the parents in order to "teach them a lesson". Vintage Judy. Raging asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason that she is an asshole is not that she sends home poopy clothes, it's that she clearly doesn't warn the parents in order to "teach them a lesson". Vintage Judy. Raging asshole.

A good daycare provider isn't one who pities children and hates parents. (No no, not all parents. Most parents. The rest she just resents.)

[Anonymous]

OK, maybe I need remedial typing class, I can agree with that. However, my typing isn't the issue here. I think that those of you who made the insulting comments to my posts probably spent more time checking to see if they were grammatically correct (I'm pretty certain that they were not) then actually reading what they said. There is no discussion on this board. There seems to be only a "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. That's sad. To those posters who weren't disrespectful and nasty, thanks for the intelligent discussion. To the posters who were mean spirited, the only thing that proved is that you are small and pathetic and you should be pitied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: There seems to be only a "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. That's sad.

Yes, the daycare providers on this thread are, for the most part, sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny stuff.

I like how there appears to be only one correct response, which boils down to the same tired old "parents = bad, providers = good" song. The only "inferences" to be made here, a leap not supported by Judy's or the PP's words, are that parents are demanding she potty train their child, putting the child in underwear at daycare but pull-ups at home. Some daycares DO potty train, actually, and accidents WILL happen after you transition to underwear. Based on what am I to "infer" that Judy is a kind and compassionate teacher as she strips my child down and shoves his soiled clothes into a garbage bag to sit all day? Certainly not her own words and attitude.

But whatever. It's a pointless discussion. Judy's not in this area - by her own admission she just popped on to stir up trouble - and I'd never let her near my kids anyway.

You obviously have limited experience and imagination if you don't think some parents insist their child is potty trained while expecting the care provider to do it. I've seen it at our daycare and I've heard other parents discussin it. You may not think Judy is kind and compassionate but at least she's not leaving the child in his own filth. It's not in any contract I've seen that the care provider will launder soiled clothes.

I also don't understand why you're so defensive. You seem to be of that group that despite a poster using the words "some" thinks the poster is saying "all". I guess that's how this how thing got blown out of proportion.

[Anonymous]

Poster at 13:42, that's exactly my point. Instead of communicating in a way that could be constructive, you chose to make an insult. Why not have a conversation that could be productive? You could start by telling me why you found the providers who posted so offensive and then maybe I could shed some light on why some providers seem angry. I'm a parent and a provider and I have been on both sides of the parent/provider relationship. If you read my prior posts, I didn't call anyone bad parents or anything of the sort and I only started getting hostile when I started getting insulted for ridiculous things like typos. Otherwise, I'm a fairly reasonable person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny stuff.

I like how there appears to be only one correct response, which boils down to the same tired old "parents = bad, providers = good" song. The only "inferences" to be made here, a leap not supported by Judy's or the PP's words, are that parents are demanding she potty train their child, putting the child in underwear at daycare but pull-ups at home. Some daycares DO potty train, actually, and accidents WILL happen after you transition to underwear. Based on what am I to "infer" that Judy is a kind and compassionate teacher as she strips my child down and shoves his soiled clothes into a garbage bag to sit all day? Certainly not her own words and attitude.

But whatever. It's a pointless discussion. Judy's not in this area - by her own admission she just popped on to stir up trouble - and I'd never let her near my kids anyway.

You obviously have limited experience and imagination if you don't think some parents insist their child is potty trained while expecting the care provider to do it. I've seen it at our daycare and I've heard other parents discussin it. You may not think Judy is kind and compassionate but at least she's not leaving the child in his own filth. It's not in any contract I've seen that the care provider will launder soiled clothes.

I also don't understand why you're so defensive. You seem to be of that group that despite a poster using the words "some" thinks the poster is saying "all". I guess that's how this how thing got blown out of proportion.

Please do note where I say no parents expect a provider to potty train. And I would hope most providers set their standard for care a little higher then "at least she's not leaving the child in his own filth."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poster at 13:42, that's exactly my point. Instead of communicating in a way that could be constructive, you chose to make an insult. Why not have a conversation that could be productive? You could start by telling me why you found the providers who posted so offensive and then maybe I could shed some light on why some providers seem angry. I'm a parent and a provider and I have been on both sides of the parent/provider relationship. If you read my prior posts, I didn't call anyone bad parents or anything of the sort and I only started getting hostile when I started getting insulted for ridiculous things like typos. Otherwise, I'm a fairly reasonable person.

Parents tried that earlier in the thread and it all fell on deaf ears.

I think most providers are probably great people, but this thread brought out the kooky ones. They are insistent that all or "most" parents are terrible people who never should have had children and that all parents treat them like doormats. Perhaps if people don't treat them well it's because they act like jerks in everday life. Maybe those few nut jobs should consider new careers. The parents I know cherish their providers and have good relationships with them, but according to some of the responders on this thread, all parents are kidding themselves if they think their providers don't secretly hate them and all providers think they do a better job with the kids than the parents do.

[Anonymous]

Holy shit. 17 pages and in my skimming I noticed some are still bitching about Judy.

Must be the snowstorm that's stopped people from moving on with their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy shit. 17 pages and in my skimming I noticed some are still bitching about Judy.

Must be the snowstorm that's stopped people from moving on with their lives.

are you new here?

[Anonymous]

I've read this thread and I have to say, I'm pretty amazed at some of the parent. Why is it okay to call a provider an asshole? I have not seen a provider call parents these kind of names. Until now....

I'm a Provider and most of you are assholes. It's probably a good thing you pay someone else to raise your kids because CLEARLY you are not capable of it. At least your Provider will teach your kids manners.
Oh and btw, go out and don't spend that extra time off you have ,with your kids. Your child, not your provider, is the one who suffers. And once they grow up they will remember that your 'me' time was more important than your time with them., But hey, at least you got your money's worth, of care. I hope your putting away now for that Psychologist your child will need for their abandonment issues.
You guys are PATHETIC. I really feel sad for your children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've read this thread and I have to say, I'm pretty amazed at some of the parent. Why is it okay to call a provider an asshole? I have not seen a provider call parents these kind of names. Until now....

I'm a Provider and most of you are assholes. It's probably a good thing you pay someone else to raise your kids because CLEARLY you are not capable of it. At least your Provider will teach your kids manners.
Oh and btw, go out and don't spend that extra time off you have ,with your kids. Your child, not your provider, is the one who suffers. And once they grow up they will remember that your 'me' time was more important than your time with them., But hey, at least you got your money's worth, of care. I hope your putting away now for that Psychologist your child will need for their abandonment issues.
You guys are PATHETIC. I really feel sad for your children.

Hello? did you read the thread? Name-calling ensues because providers say stupid wacko stuff about parents, parents try to defend, wacko providers cant comprehend and just keep making posts exactly like yours. Parents become frustrated.

I feel sad for the kids you care for. If that's what you really do. Probably just a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've read this thread and I have to say, I'm pretty amazed at some of the parent. Why is it okay to call a provider an asshole? I have not seen a provider call parents these kind of names. Until now....

I'm a Provider and most of you are assholes. It's probably a good thing you pay someone else to raise your kids because CLEARLY you are not capable of it. At least your Provider will teach your kids manners.
Oh and btw, go out and don't spend that extra time off you have ,with your kids. Your child, not your provider, is the one who suffers. And once they grow up they will remember that your 'me' time was more important than your time with them., But hey, at least you got your money's worth, of care. I hope your putting away now for that Psychologist your child will need for their abandonment issues.
You guys are PATHETIC. I really feel sad for your children.

If you really believe this, you are seriously demented.