Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

Because the 20,000 units of AH called for in the AHMP have to be realized somewhere, and it's not going to be in Bellevue Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:Particular cases aside, the N/S differences in teacher retention should be a concern for APS.

All Arlington schools are great!

You really just can’t go wrong with any of them.

Especially Discovery, which is presumably why a certain senior APS administrator paid a premium to live in that schools zone a couple years ago.

Can someone please translate this??

There’s a repeat poster who is personally offended that the Asst. Superintendent of Teaching and Learning lives in the Discovery zone.

I don’t think it’s just one poster. She has the right to live where it works best for her family, but I have to say it didn’t look great to me.
-Randolph parent

Which schools would have been acceptable? McKinley with its 9% FARMS? Ashlawn at 19%? If she'd moved to ASFS (23%) or Oakridge (25%), would that be enough or would anything less than 70% FARMS rate still be a slight?

Maybe one that wasn't the newest, most extravagant, and among the least integrated.

So Nottingham or Jamestown wouldn’t have earned this kind of criticism?

Probably would've, those are also cloistered enclaves. The point is, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And yes, the optics are terrible. I'm a bit baffled why she moved to the same county she administers. It's a conflict of interest waiting to happen.

A ton of APS staff, up to and including the Supt, live in Arlington. I think that’s a good thing, to live in the county where you work. It means they have a personal stake in our schools. But the fact that so many live in NArl is lamentable.

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

This is actually a change to the GLUP, because it's zoned Commercial now. They could have changed it to what the owner requested, for town homes, but they decided not to do that because they want it for AH. So it the GLUP is being amended to allow for more residential units than the current owner requested. Then "someone" will make the current owner an offer, and voila, hundreds of additional units of CAFs can be delivered on Columbia Pike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

The address is 2300 9th St S. Documents are here: http://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=44&event_id=1320&meta_id=177290

God I f#cking hate Arlignton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

This is actually a change to the GLUP, because it's zoned Commercial now. They could have changed it to what the owner requested, for town homes, but they decided not to do that because they want it for AH. So it the GLUP is being amended to allow for more residential units than the current owner requested. Then "someone" will make the current owner an offer, and voila, hundreds of additional units of CAFs can be delivered on Columbia Pike.

And they wonder where all the “missing middle” housing is going?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

This is actually a change to the GLUP, because it's zoned Commercial now. They could have changed it to what the owner requested, for town homes, but they decided not to do that because they want it for AH. So it the GLUP is being amended to allow for more residential units than the current owner requested. Then "someone" will make the current owner an offer, and voila, hundreds of additional units of CAFs can be delivered on Columbia Pike.

And they wonder where all the “missing middle” housing is going?

No one is actually going to do anything about the “missing middle” housing. We are going full speed toward only having very high and very low income people here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

Because the 20,000 units of AH called for in the AHMP have to be realized somewhere, and it's not going to be in Bellevue Forest.

Funny you mention BF. That's where the county mgr who was one of the architects of AH planning in Arlington county back in the 1980s lives/d.

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Anonymous wrote:Particular cases aside, the N/S differences in teacher retention should be a concern for APS.

All Arlington schools are great!

You really just can’t go wrong with any of them.

Especially Discovery, which is presumably why a certain senior APS administrator paid a premium to live in that schools zone a couple years ago.

Can someone please translate this??

There’s a repeat poster who is personally offended that the Asst. Superintendent of Teaching and Learning lives in the Discovery zone.

I don’t think it’s just one poster. She has the right to live where it works best for her family, but I have to say it didn’t look great to me.
-Randolph parent

Which schools would have been acceptable? McKinley with its 9% FARMS? Ashlawn at 19%? If she'd moved to ASFS (23%) or Oakridge (25%), would that be enough or would anything less than 70% FARMS rate still be a slight?

Maybe one that wasn't the newest, most extravagant, and among the least integrated.

So Nottingham or Jamestown wouldn’t have earned this kind of criticism?

Probably would've, those are also cloistered enclaves. The point is, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And yes, the optics are terrible. I'm a bit baffled why she moved to the same county she administers. It's a conflict of interest waiting to happen.

A ton of APS staff, up to and including the Supt, live in Arlington. I think that’s a good thing, to live in the county where you work. It means they have a personal stake in our schools. But the fact that so many live in NArl is lamentable.

They have a stake in NORTH Arlington schools, that's my point about a conflict of interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

Because the 20,000 units of AH called for in the AHMP have to be realized somewhere, and it's not going to be in Bellevue Forest.

Funny you mention BF. That's where the county mgr who was one of the architects of AH planning in Arlington county back in the 1980s lives/d.

It was not an accident that I mentioned BF. It's also not funny, given the racial covenant that governed that neighborhood in particular and the historical practices that continue to affect county land use decisions across the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

Because the 20,000 units of AH called for in the AHMP have to be realized somewhere, and it's not going to be in Bellevue Forest.

Funny you mention BF. That's where the county mgr who was one of the architects of AH planning in Arlington county back in the 1980s lives/d.

It was not an accident that I mentioned BF. It's also not funny, given the racial covenant that governed that neighborhood in particular and the historical practices that continue to affect county land use decisions across the county.

PP. as near as I can tell, almost every NA neighborhood, except Hall's Hill, had a racial covenant.

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Anonymous wrote:So just reading over an email on our neighborhood listserv, and Penrose, hold onto your hats! An office building is going to be repurposed to Affordable Housing! You can thank the Planning Commission. The owner of the building wanted to demolish the building and build town homes. But we can't have that land go to "waste" along Columbia Pike, so Affordable Housing it will be. Just 7 stories of it, probably all family-sized units. Will it be zoned Fleet or Hoffman-Boston? Apparently, we can't have any schools in South Arlington that aren't Title 1.

Wait what? Why can’t the owner decide what happens to the land? What building? Can we get a little more info?

Because all of the land in the county falls under the Comprehensive Master Plan that specifies how every parcel can be used and what the building restrictions are on it. You think anyone can just build anything wherever they want?

Well no shit, but I’m not seeing the difference in Zoning residential multi family. Why not allow th’s, but green light apts?

Because the 20,000 units of AH called for in the AHMP have to be realized somewhere, and it's not going to be in Bellevue Forest.

Funny you mention BF. That's where the county mgr who was one of the architects of AH planning in Arlington county back in the 1980s lives/d.

It was not an accident that I mentioned BF. It's also not funny, given the racial covenant that governed that neighborhood in particular and the historical practices that continue to affect county land use decisions across the county.

PP. as near as I can tell, almost every NA neighborhood, except Hall's Hill, had a racial covenant.

Yup, and they think they are making good up for it by creating yet another ghetto in south Arlington

[Anonymous]

I just skimmed the documents posted upthread, but it appears penrose neighbors helped block the initial proposed Zoning change of market rate townhomes...
Now it’s going to be high density AH.
Oh Penrose, will you never learn?

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Anonymous wrote:Particular cases aside, the N/S differences in teacher retention should be a concern for APS.

All Arlington schools are great!

You really just can’t go wrong with any of them.

Especially Discovery, which is presumably why a certain senior APS administrator paid a premium to live in that schools zone a couple years ago.

Can someone please translate this??

There’s a repeat poster who is personally offended that the Asst. Superintendent of Teaching and Learning lives in the Discovery zone.

I don’t think it’s just one poster. She has the right to live where it works best for her family, but I have to say it didn’t look great to me.
-Randolph parent

Which schools would have been acceptable? McKinley with its 9% FARMS? Ashlawn at 19%? If she'd moved to ASFS (23%) or Oakridge (25%), would that be enough or would anything less than 70% FARMS rate still be a slight?

Maybe one that wasn't the newest, most extravagant, and among the least integrated.

I think it's more a reflection of how well APS staff is paid.

Besides, I prefer an Asst Supt of Teaching and Learning who understands there are important differences between our schools. Why single her out? Why aren't you critics chastising all APS staff - and SB members - for not living in Title I school zones AND not sending their kids to their neighborhood Title I schools? Are we to implement some residency requirement mandating that all senior staff and elected SB members live in certain school zones and send their kids to those specific schools? I'm glad to have someone in her role who acknowledges, understands, and at least TRIES to advance solutions for those differences! And, sadly, those proposed solutions have greater credibility coming from someone who is not a white UMC parent in south Arlington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just skimmed the documents posted upthread, but it appears penrose neighbors helped block the initial proposed Zoning change of market rate townhomes...
Now it’s going to be high density AH.
Oh Penrose, will you never learn?

Great. They have a record of "success" that makes it even more likely they will help screw SW Arlington with their high school "equity" advocacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Particular cases aside, the N/S differences in teacher retention should be a concern for APS.

All Arlington schools are great!

You really just can’t go wrong with any of them.

Especially Discovery, which is presumably why a certain senior APS administrator paid a premium to live in that schools zone a couple years ago.

Can someone please translate this??

There’s a repeat poster who is personally offended that the Asst. Superintendent of Teaching and Learning lives in the Discovery zone.

I don’t think it’s just one poster. She has the right to live where it works best for her family, but I have to say it didn’t look great to me.
-Randolph parent

Which schools would have been acceptable? McKinley with its 9% FARMS? Ashlawn at 19%? If she'd moved to ASFS (23%) or Oakridge (25%), would that be enough or would anything less than 70% FARMS rate still be a slight?

Maybe one that wasn't the newest, most extravagant, and among the least integrated.

I think it's more a reflection of how well APS staff is paid.

Besides, I prefer an Asst Supt of Teaching and Learning who understands there are important differences between our schools. Why single her out? Why aren't you critics chastising all APS staff - and SB members - for not living in Title I school zones AND not sending their kids to their neighborhood Title I schools? Are we to implement some residency requirement mandating that all senior staff and elected SB members live in certain school zones and send their kids to those specific schools? I'm glad to have someone in her role who acknowledges, understands, and at least TRIES to advance solutions for those differences! And, sadly, those proposed solutions have greater credibility coming from someone who is not a white UMC parent in south Arlington.

I live in South Arlington as do the many of my colleagues. The commute to North Arlington is unpleasant and I'm
Sure those who work in the north aren't looking for a commute either.