Is U Chicago worth cost over in-state UVA?

[Anonymous]

Understood. Yes higher but the UVA stats are averages so it may not be a fair comparison depending on Mcintire selectivity. Ross undergraduate is extremely selective. I'm not familiar with UVA enough to compare but those two would be apples to apples as both are undergraduate business programs. The UChicago kids are in all kinds of majors any of which are eligible to participate in the various clubs and the business track in Career Services which includes some Booth coursework.

[Anonymous]

You do realize that all that data is self-reported? Sample sizes in the data you are citing are relatively small, I bet.

The only actual tax-data based information is at the department of education's college score card, which cannot report by major by law.

[Anonymous]

hahahah at Chicago crazies citing anecdotal crap. I thought Chicago was full of "thinkers" and "academics"...where's the beef? here's an easy one, how many c/o 2016 or 2017 from The College are investment banking analysts at bulge bracket banks (the most sought after position)? or even narrower, how many are IB analysts at GS, JPM, and MS?

Bank of America Merrill Lynch (BAML)
Barclays Capital (BarCap)
Citigroup (Citi)
Credit Suisse (CS)
Deutsche Bank (DB)
Goldman Sachs (GS or Goldman)
JPMorgan Chase (JPM)
Morgan Stanley (MS)
UBS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that all that data is self-reported? Sample sizes in the data you are citing are relatively small, I bet.

The only actual tax-data based information is at the department of education's college score card, which cannot report by major by law.

I didn't know that. It would be 100x more helpful if it at least broke down by individual colleges within the University. Penn, for example, has Huntsman, Wharton, nursing, engineering, arts and sciences.

[Anonymous]

I don't rely on those statistics myself so never looked into how they're sourced. Colleges were selected based on the educational opportunities and campus life. After that the kids know the latest on OCR and where the upperclassmen are going. As far as I can tell, UChicago is tracking along with friends at the Ivies and top LACs like Amherst and Williams for career and grad school opportunities. UMichigan is close. I don't have friends at UVA so not attempting to compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that all that data is self-reported? Sample sizes in the data you are citing are relatively small, I bet.

The only actual tax-data based information is at the department of education's college score card, which cannot report by major by law.

I didn't know that. It would be 100x more helpful if it at least broke down by individual colleges within the University. Penn, for example, has Huntsman, Wharton, nursing, engineering, arts and sciences.

And, again, the scorecard data is only for recipients of federal financial aid. Not a representative sample (and not necessarily comparable from school to school (because of other sources of FA)).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't rely on those statistics myself so never looked into how they're sourced. Colleges were selected based on the educational opportunities and campus life. After that the kids know the latest on OCR and where the upperclassmen are going. As far as I can tell, UChicago is tracking along with friends at the Ivies and top LACs like Amherst and Williams for career and grad school opportunities. UMichigan is close. I don't have friends at UVA so not attempting to compare.

I can cite clean career destination data, why can't you Chicago boosters cite anything?

https://www.commerce.virginia.edu/career-services/career-destinations-report

Average Salary Is $72,297...
The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $72,297.

Signing Bonus...
The average signing bonus for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $9,261.

Annual Bonus...
The average estimated annual bonus is $22,271.

First-year gross...
$103,829

[Anonymous]

JPM, CS, GS, and BAML are all on the list of top 20 destinations for 2016 U of C grads. So are Stanford, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Columbia, Penn, Hopkins, and UCLA.
Accenture, Google, Charles River Associates, Amazon, Epic, L.E.K., Morningstar, and Cook County government round out the list.

[Anonymous]

Chicago is light years above UVA in terms of reputation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JPM, CS, GS, and BAML are all on the list of top 20 destinations for 2016 U of C grads. So are Stanford, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Columbia, Penn, Hopkins, and UCLA.
Accenture, Google, Charles River Associates, Amazon, Epic, L.E.K., Morningstar, and Cook County government round out the list.

Any state school generally can cite those. Even UMBC can produce a Rhodes scholar...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Chicago is light years above UVA in terms of reputation.

+1 Not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't rely on those statistics myself so never looked into how they're sourced. Colleges were selected based on the educational opportunities and campus life. After that the kids know the latest on OCR and where the upperclassmen are going. As far as I can tell, UChicago is tracking along with friends at the Ivies and top LACs like Amherst and Williams for career and grad school opportunities. UMichigan is close. I don't have friends at UVA so not attempting to compare.

I can cite clean career destination data, why can't you Chicago boosters cite anything?

https://www.commerce.virginia.edu/career-services/career-destinations-report

Average Salary Is $72,297...
The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $72,297.

Signing Bonus...
The average signing bonus for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $9,261.

Annual Bonus...
The average estimated annual bonus is $22,271.

First-year gross...
$103,829

did you miss this info: "And the post I’ve quoted arguably misrepresents the McIntire data — only 63% reported a signing bonus and only 43% reported an annual bonus."

adjusting by averages (not really meaningful but perhaps slightly indicative) $72,297 + .63 * $9,261 + .43 * $22,271 = $87,708

[Anonymous]

The Chicago wonks pick apart clean UVA data, but can't produce anything from Hyde Park. So weird.

[Anonymous]

$87,000-103,000 or whatever it is inbetween is very strong. Please show us anything from UChicago with similar. Oh that's right, Chicago is sneaky and cryptic, we'll just have to trust you all.

I don't think anyone would debate Chicago is the better place for a future Phd. But everyone else, I struggle to see the justification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any UChicago salary data that comes close to the UVA Mcintire data? median $75k first-year, plus $10k signing and $20k annual bonus

Comparable data doesn’t exist because there’s no undergrad business school at UChicago.

And the post I’ve quoted arguably misrepresents the McIntire data — only 63% reported a signing bonus and only 43% reported an annual bonus.

+1

Why does someone keep posting uva undergrad business school data? So weird.