Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies
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Anonymous
I don't think Becky wants to keep Jamal out. She wants Jamal's BBC too much (as black women know) |
Anonymous
See the MIT vs Cal Tech Admissions a few pages back (similarly ranked Engineering schools. MIT considers race, Cal Tech cannot). Many, many more Asians. Many fewer whites and AAs. So, how do you define "work"? Does it result in different demographics? Yes. Do Asians think it works? Absolutely. Is your white kid more likely to get admitted? Nope. |
Anonymous
As a matter of fact, there is quite a debate -- even on mainstream media before the yesterday's announcement -- among academics /legal scholars as to whether there may be different outcomes reached under Constitutional analysis for different types of AA. Different types of classifications are scrutinized by different standards under the equal protection and due processes clauses. The rub is not in the application of admissions rates, but in differences in the application of admissions criteria to achieve potentially pre-determined rates. It is most unfortunate that Trump is the one to bring this up because of his history and the blatant political reasons he has for doing so, but it is a topic worthy of thoughtful, serious dialogue just as much as other issues that concern race in this country (police, incarceration, housing, poverty, etc.) Whether the country can have a serious dialogue about these subjects when the current administration starts the conversation is questionable -- we begin with too much baggage that will question one another's motives. I had hoped that Barak Obama in his second term would have returned to the subject which he commented on briefly early on, but he did not. My own view is that at the end of the day whether or not AA based solely on race for African Americans was justified as a remedy for long term discrimination when it began back in the 1960s, it cannot be an indefinite part of American Society. Ultimately, America's solution to upward mobility of minority groups must be based on understanding, social interaction, primary/secondary education, etc., and the legal framework should be based on prohibiting discrimination. We have seen all over college campuses the past few years African America students telling us they feel left out or that they are perceived as not belonging on campus or as having not earned their place there. That will never end as long as pure racial affirmative action continues -- it simply cannot. Diversity -- the intellectual successor to affirmative action -- has merit, but the trick is in the application /execution. Proponents are quick to quote studies showing better decision making in more diverse groups; but I am not sure any of them say that is so unless all other things are equal. A diverse group of poor engineering students are less likely to build a safer building than less diverse group strong engineering students, even if theoretically a diverse group of strong engineering students will come up with a better plan than a less diverse group of strong students (I am granting the premise here although I am sure the studies must be more nuanced). It is a complicated subject worthy of serious discussion, not quips. |
Anonymous
Aren't Jews considered "white?" |
Anonymous
Ah! You would think so, but there was an entire thread devoted to this, and I was shocked by how many people said Jews were not white. Signed, A Jew who always thought she was white |
Anonymous
Israeli Jews cringe massively when they hear Jews say they are white |
Anonymous
Modern genetic PCA proves otherwise. https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/the-uniqueness-of-ashkenazi-jewish-ancestry-is-important-for-health/ |
Anonymous
So you want to restrict Asian and Asian Americans to just 5% to 6% of slots at schools even they routinely outscore whites never mind Hispanics and blacks in academics? Not a very smart policy. |
Anonymous
| Affirmative action is a racist policy. It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in? |
Anonymous
I don't know of any college that says: you need these specific test scores and GPA to be admitted. |
Anonymous
Poor Jim knows, too. 
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Anonymous
Not a bad idea. I would include HS GPA though. |
Anonymous
So don't send you kid to a top college? Because they all use holistic admissions. Name a top college that just goes by the stats. |
Anonymous
Please educate yourself. Affirmative action doesn't discriminate against white people. As a white person myself I know this. This is pure and simple race-baiting nonsense that appeals to Trump's base, most of whom aren't going to college but who hold this belief that what keeps them from going is black people. |
Anonymous
Which, of course, even in combination are not the only indicators of college success. The fact is that even the top schools want students who aren't "just" getting amazing grades and do well on the SAT; they want students who have varied backgrounds and experiences and who demonstrate leadership and other capabilities. That's not something that just looking at the SAT will give you. And last time I checked, schools weren't being over run with black kids. Or latino kids. Or any other ethnic minority to the disadvantage of white people. So Trump and his gang of clowns focusing "fixing" a bogus issue - a non issue - just to win points with his bigoted base. |