Do the recommendations re: BCC boundary study come out today?

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

Of course it doesn't..

This is from the Montgomery Planning Department Westbard Sector Plan as an approach for "addressing increased student enrollment": "Additions to schools capable of expansion: Westland Middle School within the Westbard Sector Plan area has available space around it to accommodate an addition. Minor redistricting: Redistrict a small portion of the Walt Whitman Cluster over to the BCC cluster to help balance future new student enrollment" http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/MemoforWestbardWorkSession1October22Finalwithupdatedcorrespondence.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

Of course it doesn't..

This is from the Montgomery Planning Department Westbard Sector Plan as an approach for "addressing increased student enrollment": "Additions to schools capable of expansion: Westland Middle School within the Westbard Sector Plan area has available space around it to accommodate an addition. Minor redistricting: Redistrict a small portion of the Walt Whitman Cluster over to the BCC cluster to help balance future new student enrollment" http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/MemoforWestbardWorkSession1October22Finalwithupdatedcorrespondence.pdf

Then, what about what's on page 3 here: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIPFY18_SupplementA_BCCMS2.pdf? Who wins the fight over schools, the Planning Board or MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Just for a counterbalance point of view, as a Bethesda Elementary parent I think the new superintendent should political courage and hit this one out of the park. I never dared dream number 7 would be selected but couldn't be happier it was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just for a counterbalance point of view, as a Bethesda Elementary parent I think the new superintendent should political courage and hit this one out of the park. I never dared dream number 7 would be selected but couldn't be happier it was.

Showed

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

Of course it doesn't..

This is from the Montgomery Planning Department Westbard Sector Plan as an approach for "addressing increased student enrollment": "Additions to schools capable of expansion: Westland Middle School within the Westbard Sector Plan area has available space around it to accommodate an addition. Minor redistricting: Redistrict a small portion of the Walt Whitman Cluster over to the BCC cluster to help balance future new student enrollment" http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/MemoforWestbardWorkSession1October22Finalwithupdatedcorrespondence.pdf

Then, what about what's on page 3 here: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIPFY18_SupplementA_BCCMS2.pdf? Who wins the fight over schools, the Planning Board or MCPS?

The developers/planning board, but I believe they're all in it together. MCPS doesn't fight with them over what's best for schools or students. They're statistics help prop up whatever the developers want..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just for a counterbalance point of view, as a Bethesda Elementary parent I think the new superintendent should political courage and hit this one out of the park. I never dared dream number 7 would be selected but couldn't be happier it was.

Of course you are. You guys went nuts when some people proposed you split and go to the new school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

I'm not doubting you or disagreeing, but I thought schools were subject to planning board things, like zoning or density.

Of course it doesn't..

This is from the Montgomery Planning Department Westbard Sector Plan as an approach for "addressing increased student enrollment": "Additions to schools capable of expansion: Westland Middle School within the Westbard Sector Plan area has available space around it to accommodate an addition. Minor redistricting: Redistrict a small portion of the Walt Whitman Cluster over to the BCC cluster to help balance future new student enrollment" http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/MemoforWestbardWorkSession1October22Finalwithupdatedcorrespondence.pdf

Then, what about what's on page 3 here: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIPFY18_SupplementA_BCCMS2.pdf? Who wins the fight over schools, the Planning Board or MCPS?

The developers/planning board, but I believe they're all in it together. MCPS doesn't fight with them over what's best for schools or students. They're statistics help prop up whatever the developers want..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just for a counterbalance point of view, as a Bethesda Elementary parent I think the new superintendent should political courage and hit this one out of the park. I never dared dream number 7 would be selected but couldn't be happier it was.

Of course you are. You guys went nuts when some people proposed you split and go to the new school.

Someone had to get what they wanted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am confused about why one poster is obsessed with the idea that the brand new school building is the "lesser" facility. It's a brand new building full of brand new things. The argument over "utilization" is one that is hard to get all riled up about for most people. One group will get a new building and shorter commutes, but the building will be closer to capacity initially. The other group will get an older building and short commutes and be less close to capacity initially. Both groups will get less overcrowding since they currently share the same building, meaning everyone will be able to spread out by 50%.

No plan is perfect and people can be disappointed that their favorite plan isn't the front runner, but the argument that there is massive inequality between these two schools over "utilization" under Option 7 is not going to get traction with most people. Most people are fine with Option 1 and the utilization balance is similar but reversed in terms of which school is nearer capacity.

Not quite: CCES and NCC 6th grades are moving to "middle school," so a couple hundred more will be joining the crowds at BCC MS #2. I also think MCPS is keeping the capacity at Westland lower so they can get Westbard Sector Plan approved by switching Whitman cluster kids to BCC/Westland.

That's not what the recommendation says.

That is code for sending the new westbard to BCC

I'm not doubting you or disagreeing, but I thought schools were subject to planning board things, like zoning or density.

Of course it doesn't..

This is from the Montgomery Planning Department Westbard Sector Plan as an approach for "addressing increased student enrollment": "Additions to schools capable of expansion: Westland Middle School within the Westbard Sector Plan area has available space around it to accommodate an addition. Minor redistricting: Redistrict a small portion of the Walt Whitman Cluster over to the BCC cluster to help balance future new student enrollment" http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/MemoforWestbardWorkSession1October22Finalwithupdatedcorrespondence.pdf

Then, what about what's on page 3 here: http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIPFY18_SupplementA_BCCMS2.pdf? Who wins the fight over schools, the Planning Board or MCPS?

The developers/planning board, but I believe they're all in it together. MCPS doesn't fight with them over what's best for schools or students. They're statistics help prop up whatever the developers want..

[Anonymous]

No dog in this fight, as my kids go to Wood Acres/Pyle, but I opened the thread bc I wanted to see what the Super is recommending and what posters reactions are. From what I've skimmed, the main purported reason why posters are upset at the rec is bc the new middle school will be at 99% capacity from day 1. News flash - that happens all the time in mcps school construction, bc the plans are put in place several years in advance and often the right hand (mcps construction) and the left hand (moco planning) do not communicate well about anticipated growth. My outsider view is that this divide makes the most geographic sense (written from my house that practically overlooks Westland while my kids take the bus to Pyle).

[Anonymous]

That is code for sending the new westbard to BCC and Westland

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just for a counterbalance point of view, as a Bethesda Elementary parent I think the new superintendent should political courage and hit this one out of the park. I never dared dream number 7 would be selected but couldn't be happier it was.

Of course you are. You guys went nuts when some people proposed you split and go to the new school.

The PP's elation has nothing to do with BE not splitting. She is happy because it makes Westland whiter and is probably the same person who is obsessed with Westland's ranking vis a vis Pyle.

[Anonymous]

So what is the best way to express concern about the superintendent's decision?