Liberal Arts Schools in Ohio

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

DP No, but they they are a good proxy for intelligence. By the way, the "scary smart" slightly off center kids go to Brown.

Really? You are really arguing about this nonsense? Why do you even care?

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

They are a pretty accurate representation. All of the real "scary smart" people I know get close to perfect on the ACT and SAT without trying/prep. Not a 31, which is decent but nothing special at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

Look at Case. It is a great school.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

Look at Case. It is a great school.

But it’s in the Cleveland suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

If you are a high-performer and don't have $60K+ to spend, you can pay half that at College of Wooster.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

Look at Case. It is a great school.

But it’s in the Cleveland suburbs.

Actually, it is in the city of Cleveland.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

They are a pretty accurate representation. All of the real "scary smart" people I know get close to perfect on the ACT and SAT without trying/prep. Not a 31, which is decent but nothing special at all.

Welcome to DCUM where being in the top 5% of test takers is "decent but nothing special". Wow. Breakdown of ACT scores for those interested:

Class of 2017:
Score # of Students Percentile
36 2,760 99.9%
35 12,386 99.4%
34 20,499 99%
33 26,920 98.7%
32 33,115 97
31 39,554 95
30 47,628 93
29 52,031 91

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

If you are a high-performer and don't have $60K+ to spend, you can pay half that at College of Wooster.

For $30,000 a year, you can do better.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

They are a pretty accurate representation. All of the real "scary smart" people I know get close to perfect on the ACT and SAT without trying/prep. Not a 31, which is decent but nothing special at all.

Welcome to DCUM where being in the top 5% of test takers is "decent but nothing special". Wow. Breakdown of ACT scores for those interested:

Class of 2017:
Score # of Students Percentile
36 2,760 99.9%
35 12,386 99.4%
34 20,499 99%
33 26,920 98.7%
32 33,115 97
31 39,554 95
30 47,628 93
29 52,031 91

Top 5% certainly isn't "scary smart."

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

They are a pretty accurate representation. All of the real "scary smart" people I know get close to perfect on the ACT and SAT without trying/prep. Not a 31, which is decent but nothing special at all.

Welcome to DCUM where being in the top 5% of test takers is "decent but nothing special". Wow. Breakdown of ACT scores for those interested:

Class of 2017:
Score # of Students Percentile
36 2,760 99.9%
35 12,386 99.4%
34 20,499 99%
33 26,920 98.7%
32 33,115 97
31 39,554 95
30 47,628 93
29 52,031 91

Thanks and I agree with your sentiment but sadly, a 31 isn't going to get you into a highly selective college.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

If you are a high-performer and don't have $60K+ to spend, you can pay half that at College of Wooster.

For $30,000 a year, you can do better.

Not everyone can. There are few decent schools left for kids who have less than a 4.0

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

Have you been to Wooster? I am from Ohio and wouldn't live in Wooster. There is nothing there.

There is a good college there. It's called The College of Wooster. It has a great undergrad research program.

For $60,000 a year, you can do better.

If you are a high-performer and don't have $60K+ to spend, you can pay half that at College of Wooster.

For $30,000 a year, you can do better.

Not everyone can. There are few decent schools left for kids who have less than a 4.0

Well, then go with Wooster. But you should go in with eyes wide open.