Liberal Arts Schools in Ohio

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

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Growing up in DC the only LACs I knew anybody attended in Ohio were Kenyon, Oberlin and Denison. Honestly, I've never heard of many of the other school being mentioned with the exception of Miami which was the safety for your safety.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

I lived in Ohio for a while, and this is basically the same perspective I heard, although since I was connected to OSU I knew more people in academia and therefore more people who had attended OWU, Otterbein, etc. In Ohio, it's OSU>>>>>>>>>OSU branch campus but only if you're using that branch campus as a 1 year ticket to the main campus>Miami, Case>>>>>> everything else.

I'm another former Ohioan, from K through college at Miami. I agree to some extent with the first native Ohioan. When I went to Miami in the '80s it was the top state school in Ohio as far as selective admissions went. Ohio State may have surpassed Miami at this point. I viewed Oberlin less of stoner school and more one for liberal students who were good at music and the arts. OU was the party school for students who couldn't get into Miami but wanted a state school.

We were from a middle middle class family and I didn't look at many of the SLACs because I didn't think we could afford them. Beyond Oberlin and Case (not a SLAC), none of them stood out to me as a student 30 years ago. I think this has changed, or at least that's how it seems on DCUM, where Kenyon and Denison have risen toward the top.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

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From Ohio. My sense of schools like Oberlin and Kenyon (and to a lesser extent, OWU and Denison) is that it's a good place for rich kids whose parents don't mind paying $300K for a degree that will net their kid a $35K/year job when they graduate. *shrug*

Ohioans and Midwesterners in general tend to be a bit more utilitarian in nature.

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Anonymous wrote:From Ohio. My sense of schools like Oberlin and Kenyon (and to a lesser extent, OWU and Denison) is that it's a good place for rich kids whose parents don't mind paying $300K for a degree that will net their kid a $35K/year job when they graduate. *shrug*

Ohioans and Midwesterners in general tend to be a bit more utilitarian in nature.

Yes. If someone was paying $300k for a degree, it would be for an Ivy or at least something like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Georgetown. No one was paying that much for Oberlin or Kenyon.

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My husband grew up in Ohio and went to Oberlin. He had a terrific experience there and went on to earn graduate degrees from Princeton and Stanford. All of his Oberlin friends are smart and remarkably curious people, accomplished in a variety of professions, but also friendly and down-to-earth. The current students we know there fit that description, and seem to be really happy with their choice of college.

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Anonymous wrote:From Ohio. My sense of schools like Oberlin and Kenyon (and to a lesser extent, OWU and Denison) is that it's a good place for rich kids whose parents don't mind paying $300K for a degree that will net their kid a $35K/year job when they graduate. *shrug*

Ohioans and Midwesterners in general tend to be a bit more utilitarian in nature.

Yes. If someone was paying $300k for a degree, it would be for an Ivy or at least something like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Georgetown. No one was paying that much for Oberlin or Kenyon.

Lol. Well, I graduated from high school in 1988 so no one was paying $300K for a college degree period! But I agree with the sentiment.

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Anonymous wrote:From Ohio. My sense of schools like Oberlin and Kenyon (and to a lesser extent, OWU and Denison) is that it's a good place for rich kids whose parents don't mind paying $300K for a degree that will net their kid a $35K/year job when they graduate. *shrug*

Ohioans and Midwesterners in general tend to be a bit more utilitarian in nature.

The average starting salary of a Denison grad is $59,500.

Good students don't pay full price at these schools which, unlike their elite counterparts, award merit scholarships. Our out of pocket costs for our DC at Denison run about $38K/year.

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Anonymous wrote:From Ohio. My sense of schools like Oberlin and Kenyon (and to a lesser extent, OWU and Denison) is that it's a good place for rich kids whose parents don't mind paying $300K for a degree that will net their kid a $35K/year job when they graduate. *shrug*

Ohioans and Midwesterners in general tend to be a bit more utilitarian in nature.

The average starting salary of a Denison grad is $59,500.

Good students don't pay full price at these schools which, unlike their elite counterparts, award merit scholarships. Our out of pocket costs for our DC at Denison run about $38K/year.

LOL!!!!!! No it’s not. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/denison-university-3042

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

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Can anyone shed some light on Wooster? It looks like a great option for dd who is interested in science research as a career, but it’s so hard to tell the quality of the professors and the actual rigor of the curriculum from brochures and websites. Grad school admission will be important.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former Ohioan who attended school there from kindergarten-law school, this thread is really interesting. Very different from how my friends and I view these schools.

NP. How do you view these schools?

Top tier OH schools - Ohio State, Miami, Case
Next tier - Baldwin Wallace, Dayton, Cincinnati, Wittenberg, OU, Denison

School for freaks - Oberlin
School for farm kids - Wooster
No one goes to Kenyon and Ohio Wesleyan

Seriously - either kids went to the first 2 tiers or they went out of state. I don't know one person who went to Oberlin, Wooster, Kenyon or Ohio Wesleyon

Not sure who this poster is but I wouldn’t give them much credit if they knew nobody who went to top schools like Oberlin and Kenyon. Mine is at Oberlin and loves it - definitely not a school for freaks. And Miami is no top school. Decent school for average students but those students aren’t usually the kids who are top academically.

The PP is giving the perspective of an Ohio native, not validating your sample of one. My Cinci colleagues make fun of Oberlin because they view it as a hippie school full of stoners and weirdos. We have a small office there and people make jokes about the drugs and overly PC culture. I agree it’s a good school, but the local perspective is different from the USNWR point of view.

PP was too eager to tout Oberlin and put down Miami to bother reading the post in context.

Although it’s not just people in Ohio who know Oberlin is for stoners and weirdos. Every kid I know from this area who went there fit that profile except for one musician who was merely eccentric.

It's funny. I went to a HS that had a similar reputation. We were all stoners and weirdos. I went on a tour of Oberlin with my son and couldn't help but sense a strong resemblance. The other similarity was as Oberlin was touting its alumni's success in being elected to the National Academy of Science, I was thinking how my HS has produced the most Nobel prize laureates of any secondary school in the world. And people were right - we definitely had a disportion share of stoners and weirdos. But that's not the reason they felt the same to me - both institutions were full of scary smart folks that perhaps didn't fit the mainstream mold. And we should be grateful to these institutions that let these folks flourish.

PP you are correct in your description of Oberlin students - scary smart people who don't always fit the mold. I'm not sure who these narrow minded people are that say things like "school for freaks". Anyone who is that mainstream and fixed in their mindset can't be too successful in life so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

Average test scores of freshman class:
ACT 30-33
SAT ERW 670-740
SAT Math 650-750

Scary smart they are not

Because standardized test scores are a complete and accurate measure of intelligence? Perhaps scary smart you are not.

DP No, but they they are a good proxy for intelligence. By the way, the "scary smart" slightly off center kids go to Brown.