Pray for Charlotte, NC

[Anonymous]

Why are black and white americans so racist? I'm neither but experienced the most rudeness and racism from both races with white americans being more subtle about it but black americans being more in your face about it.

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Anonymous wrote:"In 2014, there were 6,095 black homicide victims, more than all white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the population. The black homicide toll will be even higher in 2015. In over 90 percent of those black deaths, the killer was another black civilian. By all means, we must try to eliminate unjustified use of force by police. But as long as crime rates in black communities remain so high, officers will be disproportionately engaged there, with all the attendant risks of such deployment. Indeed, the incessant refrain that cops are racist could well increase the likelihood that black suspects will resist arrest, and that witnesses will be reluctant to cooperate."

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/02/08/black-and-unarmed-behind-the-numbers

Sadly, +1.

Those are the facts. 6,095 of them.

Addressing them should be the #1 priority of any activist (or President, or Attorney General) who claims that "Black Lives Matter"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"In 2014, there were 6,095 black homicide victims, more than all white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the population. The black homicide toll will be even higher in 2015. In over 90 percent of those black deaths, the killer was another black civilian. By all means, we must try to eliminate unjustified use of force by police. But as long as crime rates in black communities remain so high, officers will be disproportionately engaged there, with all the attendant risks of such deployment. Indeed, the incessant refrain that cops are racist could well increase the likelihood that black suspects will resist arrest, and that witnesses will be reluctant to cooperate."

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/02/08/black-and-unarmed-behind-the-numbers

Sadly, +1.

Those are the facts. 6,095 of them.

Addressing them should be the #1 priority of any activist (or President, or Attorney General) who claims that "Black Lives Matter"

No black person denies they have issues they have to fix. But doesn't mean that the Cops killing blacks is a NON ISSUE. There are thousands of whites getting killed by other white relatives or friends. Does that mean there is no issue with white men with guns are biggest threat in mass murders? What you did is pure denial and diversion. Anyone can play that game.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

That part doesn't fit the BLM narrative so it gets overlooked and swept under the rug. I'm sure their response will be that they are protesting all police shootings but we all know that to not be the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

It is not individual racism thats an issue here. it is systemic racism when the police force ALL over the country SOMEHOW shoots unarmed black people in so many cases. It happens in a much smaller number to whites. That is systemic and it has to be fixed. Denying it doesn't exist is like denying that mass murders are mostly committed by white men with a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a single white person here who is willing to acknowledge that the increasing number of deceitful and duplicitous actions of police exposed over the years thanks to video footage clarifies why blacks hold so much contempt for the police?

So, this is a growing problem? The numbers back that up? Or, it is still a rare occurrence given the number of interactions that are handled daily and because of technology the actions of few are being exposed?

It is not about how many cases are there. It is about how blacks feel the siege EVEN IF A DOZEN incidents happen every year. And a dozen is a big number, especially considering those events don't happen to whites. Why are you not sensitive to the fact that Blacks with their slavery and Jim crow laws will feel distrustful about the system.

Why are white people so sensitive about terror incidents of muslim americans even though statistically over the past decade those are very few in number. And again when statistically it is the white man with a gun who is the most dangerous mass murderer, why is that not taken as seriously as seriousy?

The bottomline is white men(white women are better) is not sensitive about the travails and sensitivities of non-whites BUT expect everyone else to be super sensitive about their own travails. That is the double standard that is not liked. Learning and changing is a good thing.

White people aren't shot by police? Look up John Geer.

One for every dozen or more When whites are 5 times more in population. Get a grip. Also understand context in language. There is always one RARE exception to any rule anyone talks about. But exception doesn't change the rule.

Statistically african americans commit more violent crime. So of course they will be in these situations more often.

Stats only come from people convicted of crime. You do know that a white personal is less likely to be arrested (institutional racism), charged (same), and convicted (inst racism, jury or "peers", and blacks less likely to afford competent counsel) of same crime?

The longer excuses are made like this the longer african americans are kept down. I find it disgusting the way the african american community is manipulated into believing "oh well racism".

[Anonymous]

"an officer’s chance of getting killed by a black assailant is 18.5 times higher than the chance of an unarmed black getting killed by a cop."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/19/academic-research-on-police-shootings-and-race/?client=safari

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Anonymous wrote:thought I would share a short and interesting article re NC gun laws and open carry from the Charlotte Observer. Open carry is legal in NC, and concealed with a permit is legal. Displaying a gun in NC is not enough on face as a stand alone fact to warrant arrest, stop and frisk or even an imminent threat. So for argument's sake, let's say he did have a gun and not a book, does that even matter, because it is questionable based on the released statement from the police officer that being threatened because the civilian has a gun doesn't met the standard. In fact, in NC, if a civilian just has an open carry, and is doing nothing else wrong, a cop doesn't have the right to say drop your weapon. I think this particular case is more complicated, I wish they would release the video.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103252767.html

One would think you need to consider the individual situation.

Sure, but did you read the article? There is case law on this topic in NC. And the open carry law has been in effect for a long time. Just displaying a gun isn't enough. You cannot, based on even displaying a gun, stop, frisk, search, demand to drop their weapon, etc. this is why the video is super important. Was there a verbal exchange? What was said? Did he point the gun at the police officer (that would be different, that is not just displaying)? But getting in and out of your car, with a gun on your belt or in your hand, isn't enough under NC law to pose as a threat.

BS on the gun on your hand scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

Mayor is a white, democratic woman.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

Or they are, you know, mentally ill.

Affluenza

Not remotely part of this thread but mass shooters (who have also been asian, black and arab) often have undiagnosed schizophrenia or other psychosis coupled with extreme isolation. It is also not "easy" for "rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders".

I am not sure why you are comparing mass shooters to police shootings.

I'm white. I am not "afraid" of losing "privileged". I want to see and welcome a reduction of generational government assistance, reduction in violent crime, a rise in intact families and quality education for ALL U.S. citizens.

That won't come from crying chicken little anytime there is an officer involved shooting. That comes from working within your own community to fix the ills that plague you and understanding that this isn't 1962. Most white americans are embarrassed by and shun the "stormfront" types. Most white americans don't care what color you are. They just want a safe, stable country - one where everyone reaches for the "american dream" once again.

But I guess that makes me a racist right?

No you are not a racist BUT you are missing the point and that is insensitive to minority problems. You are wiping the slate clean that things become totally normal for blacks once civil rights law was passed in 1964. Do you know that SC senator TIM Scott has made a passionate speech in the senate that he was discriminated as senator when he goes out with his white staff, even when he has senator badge. Its like the cops don't think he can be the senator and the badge must be something else. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-scott-capitol-racism-senate-225507

That blacks have died UNJUSTLY because of the cops is a huge issue. It makes it a crying issue that needs attention because it happens to blacks disproportionately. But this has been going on for decades BUT ONLY NOW with cameras that the issue has come to light. Imagine the torment and pain the blacks have gone through silently all these years when they have no way of proving their innocence. So they deserve an understanding for the pain and unjust killings thousands of black families have suffered from without EVEN someone to believe their side of the story. They certainly don't need lecturing on high crimes and poverty at this time. There is a time and place to raise unrelated issues. Raising these issues shows the insensitivity of whoever is raining it.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

It is not individual racism thats an issue here. it is systemic racism when the police force ALL over the country SOMEHOW shoots unarmed black people in so many cases. It happens in a much smaller number to whites. That is systemic and it has to be fixed. Denying it doesn't exist is like denying that mass murders are mostly committed by white men with a gun.

It doesn't happen in a smaller number to whites. What you said isn't true.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thought I would share a short and interesting article re NC gun laws and open carry from the Charlotte Observer. Open carry is legal in NC, and concealed with a permit is legal. Displaying a gun in NC is not enough on face as a stand alone fact to warrant arrest, stop and frisk or even an imminent threat. So for argument's sake, let's say he did have a gun and not a book, does that even matter, because it is questionable based on the released statement from the police officer that being threatened because the civilian has a gun doesn't met the standard. In fact, in NC, if a civilian just has an open carry, and is doing nothing else wrong, a cop doesn't have the right to say drop your weapon. I think this particular case is more complicated, I wish they would release the video.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103252767.html

One would think you need to consider the individual situation.

Sure, but did you read the article? There is case law on this topic in NC. And the open carry law has been in effect for a long time. Just displaying a gun isn't enough. You cannot, based on even displaying a gun, stop, frisk, search, demand to drop their weapon, etc. this is why the video is super important. Was there a verbal exchange? What was said? Did he point the gun at the police officer (that would be different, that is not just displaying)? But getting in and out of your car, with a gun on your belt or in your hand, isn't enough under NC law to pose as a threat.

BS on the gun on your hand scenario.

What gun? There was NO gun according to his own family who know him best. They say he was holding only a book when a black police officer shot him due to racism. That is why people rioted and looted the NASCAR museum last night.

Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

It is not individual racism thats an issue here. it is systemic racism when the police force ALL over the country SOMEHOW shoots unarmed black people in so many cases. It happens in a much smaller number to whites. That is systemic and it has to be fixed. Denying it doesn't exist is like denying that mass murders are mostly committed by white men with a gun.

It doesn't happen in a smaller number to whites. What you said isn't true.

That is wrong and Do not LIE. If you post what you can't back up thats a lie. Unarmed Blacks have been killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites by cops. Check the link below.

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

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Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

Or they are, you know, mentally ill.

Affluenza

Not remotely part of this thread but mass shooters (who have also been asian, black and arab) often have undiagnosed schizophrenia or other psychosis coupled with extreme isolation. It is also not "easy" for "rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders".

I am not sure why you are comparing mass shooters to police shootings.

I'm white. I am not "afraid" of losing "privileged". I want to see and welcome a reduction of generational government assistance, reduction in violent crime, a rise in intact families and quality education for ALL U.S. citizens.

That won't come from crying chicken little anytime there is an officer involved shooting. That comes from working within your own community to fix the ills that plague you and understanding that this isn't 1962. Most white americans are embarrassed by and shun the "stormfront" types. Most white americans don't care what color you are. They just want a safe, stable country - one where everyone reaches for the "american dream" once again.

But I guess that makes me a racist right?

No you are not a racist BUT you are missing the point and that is insensitive to minority problems. You are wiping the slate clean that things become totally normal for blacks once civil rights law was passed in 1964. Do you know that SC senator TIM Scott has made a passionate speech in the senate that he was discriminated as senator when he goes out with his white staff, even when he has senator badge. Its like the cops don't think he can be the senator and the badge must be something else. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-scott-capitol-racism-senate-225507

That blacks have died UNJUSTLY because of the cops is a huge issue. It makes it a crying issue that needs attention because it happens to blacks disproportionately. But this has been going on for decades BUT ONLY NOW with cameras that the issue has come to light. Imagine the torment and pain the blacks have gone through silently all these years when they have no way of proving their innocence. So they deserve an understanding for the pain and unjust killings thousands of black families have suffered from without EVEN someone to believe their side of the story. They certainly don't need lecturing on high crimes and poverty at this time. There is a time and place to raise unrelated issues. Raising these issues shows the insensitivity of whoever is raining it.

Blacks are not the only ones to die unjustly. They are just what is reported in the media in this current political climate.