TT trying to eliminate open lunch

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lunch shifts starting at 7:45AM???

My kid's ES takes 3 hours for 600 kids to get through all their lunch shifts. Unless HS have to force students to stay in the cafeteria, multiple lunch shifts will not work and it is not a good idea for the students at all. So many students see me for help, make up work, etc. Some just hang in my classroom because it is not chaotic. But I teach multplie.grade levels, which means I will have class during some lunch shifts if they change the one lunch block. Since the BOE is never in a school, I fully expect them to pass it.

In hs they don’t eat in the cafeteria. Big difference. This is just to distract from other stuff going on. I think it’s a safety issue.

Yep. I teach in a high school. Guess that wasn't clear in my response. I see first hand how it would negatively impact HS students. It's also unrealistic to have multiple lunch shifts for high schools based on how long it would take to get that many HS students through lunch shifts.

[Anonymous]

Will this lead to different lunch periods??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He won't be able to, kids will revolt. There is literally no space for every high schooler to eat inside, unless you want to do it East Asian style, where every kid eats at his desk!

How tiny are HS cafeterias that they can't fit 400ish kids at a time?

Let's do the math which is not mcps' forte:
2400 kids +/-
And you want 400 kids per lunch period?
That's lunch spread over 6 periods.
So, students should get a lunch period at 2nd period which starts before 9am?

WJ has about 3000 so more like 7 periods.

Blair gas 3000 kids with 1 closed lunch.

While it might be technically closed lots of kids leave for lunch in Four Corners every day.

Agreed but not like 1000 kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Yes, amen to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

No, I didn't make them up.

Many kids don't like to go out for Open Lunch due to the crowds, fights and bad behaviors that happen during Open Lunch. Some of that is because those kids are more introverted and/or shy and some of that is because their parents warn them about such things. Especially if your child is of an immigrant background.

You are showing your white, liberal bias and the fact that you can't imagine some students preferring closed lunch, even though there are children who eat in the cafeterias in schools with Open Lunch everyday, says more about you than the kids you claim don't exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say open lunch goes away, what are really the consequences when a student leaves during lunch?

None, because plenty of kids leave now at schools that don’t have lunch. So, the rule followers will get their one lunch taken away and those who are more willing to break the rules will continue to have open much.

Yeah, this is what stinks. My HS kid has said that open lunch is really the only thing that is making her not hate her very overcrowded, bureaucratic HS exeprience. She just needs a few minutes to take a break. They are punishing all those kids in order to try to control the kids who will just ignore the rules.

If your kid is unhappy at school instead of posting here help them have a better experience or move them.

Move them where? The fact is that these schools are loud and over crowded and that creates a real mental load for almost anyone. Ask the teachers that work in these schools. The Board is always pretending to care about student mental health and at least some students are saying open lunch helps their mental health. I’m not saying it’s the only factor but it’s a factor the Board and Taylor should consider. Pretty close to 100% of our school — students, parents, teachers, admin — want to keep open lunch. Yet it seems like Taylor and the Board maybe don’t care?

It just stinks. I’ve been a McPS parent for 15 years and every year I feel like it gets a little more unpleasant to be a student there, incrementally. People used to move here for the schools, but with a Board and Central Office that don’t seem to care about teacher and student preferences, I’m not sure it’s worth it anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lunch shifts starting at 7:45AM???

My kid's ES takes 3 hours for 600 kids to get through all their lunch shifts. Unless HS have to force students to stay in the cafeteria, multiple lunch shifts will not work and it is not a good idea for the students at all. So many students see me for help, make up work, etc. Some just hang in my classroom because it is not chaotic. But I teach multplie.grade levels, which means I will have class during some lunch shifts if they change the one lunch block. Since the BOE is never in a school, I fully expect them to pass it.

In hs they don’t eat in the cafeteria. Big difference. This is just to distract from other stuff going on. I think it’s a safety issue.

Yep. I teach in a high school. Guess that wasn't clear in my response. I see first hand how it would negatively impact HS students. It's also unrealistic to have multiple lunch shifts for high schools based on how long it would take to get that many HS students through lunch shifts.

There are schools around the country that have been doing this for decades. I went to a HS with over 3,000 kids in VA with multiple lunches. The issue in mCPS is the teacher union. Teachers get a 30 min duty free lunch but are then expected to sponsor a club, host office hours/open studio and tutor kids with the other 20 min for free

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

No, I didn't make them up.

Many kids don't like to go out for Open Lunch due to the crowds, fights and bad behaviors that happen during Open Lunch. Some of that is because those kids are more introverted and/or shy and some of that is because their parents warn them about such things. Especially if your child is of an immigrant background.

You are showing your white, liberal bias and the fact that you can't imagine some students preferring closed lunch, even though there are children who eat in the cafeterias in schools with Open Lunch everyday, says more about you than the kids you claim don't exist.

Why would these quiet kids who stay in for lunch want all their loud, raucous classmates to be forced to stay in too and make their quiet sanctuary into a chaotic mess? I can fully imagine kids not going off campus to buy lunch for a variety of reasons. I can’t really imagine them wanting to force all their classmates, especially disruptive ones, to stay too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

No, I didn't make them up.

Many kids don't like to go out for Open Lunch due to the crowds, fights and bad behaviors that happen during Open Lunch. Some of that is because those kids are more introverted and/or shy and some of that is because their parents warn them about such things. Especially if your child is of an immigrant background.

You are showing your white, liberal bias and the fact that you can't imagine some students preferring closed lunch, even though there are children who eat in the cafeterias in schools with Open Lunch everyday, says more about you than the kids you claim don't exist.

Those kids will be much worse off if they close open lunch. If they are avoiding going out to RTC or Georgetown Square because they are scared of crowds and bad behavior, what do they think will happen when open lunch ends? All those kids will be piled on top of them, making wherever they are currently eating more crowded and rowdy.
One of the reasons my kid likes to get out for lunch is that they are introverted and hate the constant jostling and crowds at the school. People are always pushing and shoving because it’s so crowded, and the noise volume is overwhelming. The great thing about open lunch is that it gives kids options, so your kid that doesn’t like it is welcome to eat in the cafeteria and it will be a better experience because it is less crowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lunch shifts starting at 7:45AM???

My kid's ES takes 3 hours for 600 kids to get through all their lunch shifts. Unless HS have to force students to stay in the cafeteria, multiple lunch shifts will not work and it is not a good idea for the students at all. So many students see me for help, make up work, etc. Some just hang in my classroom because it is not chaotic. But I teach multplie.grade levels, which means I will have class during some lunch shifts if they change the one lunch block. Since the BOE is never in a school, I fully expect them to pass it.

In hs they don’t eat in the cafeteria. Big difference. This is just to distract from other stuff going on. I think it’s a safety issue.

Yep. I teach in a high school. Guess that wasn't clear in my response. I see first hand how it would negatively impact HS students. It's also unrealistic to have multiple lunch shifts for high schools based on how long it would take to get that many HS students through lunch shifts.

There are schools around the country that have been doing this for decades. I went to a HS with over 3,000 kids in VA with multiple lunches. The issue in mCPS is the teacher union. Teachers get a 30 min duty free lunch but are then expected to sponsor a club, host office hours/open studio and tutor kids with the other 20 min for free

Single lunch has allowed our school to give kids a ton of curriculum choice, allowing freshman to take classes with seniors. I will really stink to lose that flexibility especially for advanced kids that want to be able to take APs as freshman and sophomore, or for kids who take less popular courses where there might not be multiple sections offered.
People are talking about this just as a quality of life issue — which it is — but it’s yet another way that MCPS is taking away options for advanced learners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

No, I didn't make them up.

Many kids don't like to go out for Open Lunch due to the crowds, fights and bad behaviors that happen during Open Lunch. Some of that is because those kids are more introverted and/or shy and some of that is because their parents warn them about such things. Especially if your child is of an immigrant background.

You are showing your white, liberal bias and the fact that you can't imagine some students preferring closed lunch, even though there are children who eat in the cafeterias in schools with Open Lunch everyday, says more about you than the kids you claim don't exist.

You just keep making up more and more things. If kids don’t want to leave for open lunch, they can stay inside! Many do!

And it’s appalling that you made a racial assumption about me based on nothing, weaponized your assumption in a derogatory way, and spoke for all introverts and children of immigrants as though they are a monolith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Keep dreaming, Deatrice.

There are parents, students and teachers on both sides of the issue.

I know you're crapping bricks because you're about to lose open lunch, but don't make things up just to make yourself feel or look better.

Find me one student currently at an open lunch school who wants their school to lose that privilege.

There are many kids who don't like the safety issues that come with Open Lunch. You just don't bother to listen to them.

I would totally listen to them if they existed but you made them up in your imagination. Just as you made up this new narrative that there are safety issues that exist because of open lunch and that schools with closed lunch are safer in some measurable way.

No, I didn't make them up.

Many kids don't like to go out for Open Lunch due to the crowds, fights and bad behaviors that happen during Open Lunch. Some of that is because those kids are more introverted and/or shy and some of that is because their parents warn them about such things. Especially if your child is of an immigrant background.

You are showing your white, liberal bias and the fact that you can't imagine some students preferring closed lunch, even though there are children who eat in the cafeterias in schools with Open Lunch everyday, says more about you than the kids you claim don't exist.

You just keep making up more and more things. If kids don’t want to leave for open lunch, they can stay inside! Many do!

And it’s appalling that you made a racial assumption about me based on nothing, weaponized your assumption in a derogatory way, and spoke for all introverts and children of immigrants as though they are a monolith.

So you admit there are already kids who don't go out during Open Lunch and therefore would not be opposed to ending the Open Lunch policy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is my perception of the issue.

People who want to preserve open lunch in the schools that have it:
-principals
-teachers
-parents
-students
-most nearby food business owners

People who want to end open lunch :
-Brenda Wolff
-Natalie Zimmerman
-Thomas Taylor
-a few local business owners
-a few whiny karens who hate teens but also chose to live right by a high school.

Seems to me that all the people who want to end open lunch are not the actual individuals who participate in open lunch and/or spend time in our school buildings, but want to make decisions for others.

Yes, amen to this.

Exactly!