People who were once non-believers and now believe in God...

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Maybe because there doesn't need to be justice or an explanation.

+1. These are very human concepts. People invent a god because they think there needs to be justice or an explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

Same answer as before. God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world. Note the use of the word "everything".

That's not what most of the believers have been saying on here. Everything that happens in the world is according to God's plan.

There are many different interpretations of what the Bible says.

Yes there are-depending on what people want it to say or mean or what excuse they want to make up for something that doesn’t make sense

Again...that is your opinion. See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:That is why all these debates lead nowhere. Atheists never experienced faith, they don't know what they are talking about. They try to reason their way into convincing religious people that God doesn't exist. But faith is never logical or mathematical. It's like love. Do you have to reason you way into loving your kids? I hope not.
It is completely irrational and yet it is the most beautiful thing I have known. Once you truly experience it, you never want to go back, because life is so empty without God in it.

That is interesting. I had the opposite experience. Once my parents started taking me to church (as a teenager), I became an Athiest. It made me very cynical about religion in general. I thought it was downright evil that the pastor was encouraging people to tithe 10% of their income because “god”, told them to do so. My parents were really struggling financially and could not afford to donate anything to the church, but they were still donating over a $1,000 a year. This pastor was living in a very nice multimillion dollar house in a ritzy part of town. I was not expecting the pastor to live poverty, but for him spend so much time guilt tripping people into tithing when he was doing so well financially was very upsetting to me given my parents circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Atheism doesn't sa anything, except that there is no GOd. Atheism is not a religion. It is the lack of a belief in God.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

Some people have the need for a god. Others do not. Otherwise, there would be no atheists.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

No - it's proof of of humans' need for the existence of God

Right, and I find that human need to be quite curious. Look up argument from desire.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

No - it's proof of of humans' need for the existence of God

Right, and I find that human need to be quite curious. Look up argument from desire.

Some people have the need for a god. Others do not. Otherwise, there would be no atheists.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Atheism has nothing to say because it is not a religion. Nothing in it attempts to make you feel better when something bad happens.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Atheism has nothing to say because it is not a religion. Nothing in it attempts to make you feel better when something bad happens.

There is nothing to atheism. It is the simple lack of belief in God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A anti-theist told me how non-existent God is, and I thought anyone powerful enough to be that impactful while not existing must me an interesting character!

God doesn’t exist, and I hate him!