People who were once non-believers and now believe in God...

[Anonymous]

I had no faith after Catholic school. None. And I was smug and contemptuous about people who did.

In grad school, a friend spontaneously persuaded me to get a reading from a witch at a New Age shop that used to be in Cambridge, MA. The witch knew something about me that was unusual and unique in a 21 year old girl. There really is no way she could have "read" it from what I was wearing or said or how I carried myself. She did not speak to or know my friends. I walked away convinced there was "something more."

I'm not religious now, but I am sure there is something more, something many people might call God.

Weirdly, we were taught in Catholic school that witchcraft was demonic, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

No - it's proof of of humans' need for the existence of God

Right, and I find that human need to be quite curious. Look up argument from desire.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

You keep making claims.

-Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck
-Human life is defined by suffering
-deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God

I reject those premises as you have not demonstrated them to be true. You just keep making things up to support your presupposition that there is a god.

Lol and you have not demonstrated to me that you are true, so I guess maybe I should not be talking to you. Tell me, what would it take to demonstrate something to be "true" to you?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

Same answer as before. God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world. Note the use of the word "everything".

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

Same answer as before. God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world. Note the use of the word "everything".

That's not what most of the believers have been saying on here. Everything that happens in the world is according to God's plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Neither does Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

Same answer as before. God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world. Note the use of the word "everything".

That's not what most of the believers have been saying on here. Everything that happens in the world is according to God's plan.

There are many different interpretations of what the Bible says.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

You keep making claims.

-Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck
-Human life is defined by suffering
-deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God

I reject those premises as you have not demonstrated them to be true. You just keep making things up to support your presupposition that there is a god.

+1. I also reject the conclusion that it is any kind of “proof of a god.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

No - it's proof of of humans' need for the existence of God

+1 million. I think the only thing it is proof of is our shared humanity and empathy. No one wants to see such suffering so some people try to find a way to justify it or make it less painful

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

You're right, in that atheism offers no justice or satisfactory explanation for all that suffering. Christianity certainly has a lot to say. You might hate what it has to say, but atheism doesn't even have anything to say.

Maybe because there doesn't need to be justice or an explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been diagnosed with a serious illness. I have turned to God and he is showing me miracles every single day.

Is god keeping you alive, in your opinion? And if so, why does it matter to you, now that he is supposedly going to send you to an eternity in heaven, once you finally die, as we all will.

DP. You are asking someone with a serious illness "why does it matter to you"? Really?

Really -- if they converted to a religion that offers eternal life, what does it matter to them? that goes for everyone in such a religion.

You have it backwards. Religion teaches you that everything matters. It is atheism which ultimately means nothing matters.

That is not what atheism means.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.

You are a liar, a troll, or a fool.

Which is it?

And what, pray tell, does anything matter when you don't believe in God?

Are you that brainwashed?

I’ll tell you what matters:

EVERYTHING. EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

You didn’t need me to tell you that though, did you, troll?

Why?

Because life is awesome and there’s probably nothing afterwards. So make the most of what you’ve been given and enjoy things that are enjoyable.

You know all that and you just made me type it because you’re a freaking troll

But I don't think life is awesome. A friend lost a child at 37 weeks. Another one's elementary kid suddenly became paralyzed. When I visit poor places and see the poverty and suffering, I can't comprehend the injustice of it all, and it frightens me constantly that anything could happen to me or my loved ones tomorrow. It also bothers that it is sheer luck I was born where I was born while others are born in third world countries, and that our one lives are lived in such disparate circumstances.

But life is awesome, despite sadness in it and when bad things happen to good people. Your empathy for others when those things happen is another one of the good things about life. Being on the receiving end of empathy is also a good thing.

If there is a god, though, then he is the rat f*k that is to blame. And the best evidence for why he likely does not exist.

This isn’t complicated, despite believers squirming to make it so.

You are right. It is not complicated. Without God, all the evil and injustice in this world is just rotten luck. Human life is defined by suffering and yet none of it has any meaning. I guess some people are fine with that, but when I think deeply about it, my soul cries out against the meaninglessness. And I am not alone. And I think that deep human desire for justice and meaning is a kind of proof for the existence of God.

This is such farcical reasoning.

Where is the sense of justice for hundreds of thousands drowned by a tsunami?

Instead of the standard children with cancer argument, where is the proof of God for someone who lived their entire life in devotion to their beliefs, and actually practiced it through their life, only for their mind to erode due to dementia and/or Alzheimer's? Spend time in a retirement facility's memory care unit. You will see that the only thing that exists there are diseases (natural) that rob people of who they are. What does that have to do with free will? Where is their justice in this world (not the made up pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)?

God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world.

Where did the poster say it was?

The poster was asking why God does not grant justice to those who suffer, such as victims of a tsunami or a lifelong believer who suffers at the end of his/her life.

What's the answer?

Same answer as before. God is not the cause of everything that happens in the world. Note the use of the word "everything".

That's not what most of the believers have been saying on here. Everything that happens in the world is according to God's plan.

There are many different interpretations of what the Bible says.

Yes there are-depending on what people want it to say or mean or what excuse they want to make up for something that doesn’t make sense