Do you think DOGE will eliminate remote policy?

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Anonymous wrote:Where did Musk say everyone has to work 10 hours a day?
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Vivek said it. In passing.

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Vivek said it. In passing.

To Tucker Carlson in an interview. It was one of the million stupid things they propose but never do.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk cannot single handedly do anything, and certainly not increase workdays by two hours, nor fire people who refuse to RTO, or eliminate entire federal agencies whose unions will fight this in court.

Can Trump sign an executive order limiting telework/remote work? Yes, but even that will have to be implemented within certain parameters, will be fought in court etc. no one is going to the office full time for ten hours on Jan 21. Get a grip.

Hopefully by the end of the term this will be a reality though.

Why would you be hopeful about this?

Because they hate feds.

I'm a lawyer, they don't pay me enough to work those hours, I would just quit and go to a firm for those hours.

But here's the deal: you don't want people like me to quit. Those of us who have options are also the people who get stuff done efficiently.

THIS. That last sentence is so true.

If you are a fed lawyer who only works 40 hours a week, your options in private practice likely aren't as plentiful as you think they are.

It's amazing how every single government lawyer is convinced that they can leave the government and find a higher paying job in the private sector - they are very much in demand, you see and only in the government because of the mission/benefits/family friendly schedule/hours/WTH/etc. And sure, some of you will be rock stars. But more of you will crash and burn, if you can get a job at all.

The majority of lawyers in federal government started their careers in private practice, because very few agencies hire right out of law school. It's not like we're unfamiliar with law firms.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

This is what I think will happen too with a potential twist that it will be pushed harder at whatever agencies they want to punish/make people quit.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

This is what I think will happen too with a potential twist that it will be pushed harder at whatever agencies they want to punish/make people quit.

And those agencies can “implement harder” with little to no actual impact other than Trump saying he’s really putting the screws to the EPA.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk cannot single handedly do anything, and certainly not increase workdays by two hours, nor fire people who refuse to RTO, or eliminate entire federal agencies whose unions will fight this in court.

Can Trump sign an executive order limiting telework/remote work? Yes, but even that will have to be implemented within certain parameters, will be fought in court etc. no one is going to the office full time for ten hours on Jan 21. Get a grip.

Hopefully by the end of the term this will be a reality though.

Why would you be hopeful about this?

Because they hate feds.

I'm a lawyer, they don't pay me enough to work those hours, I would just quit and go to a firm for those hours.

But here's the deal: you don't want people like me to quit. Those of us who have options are also the people who get stuff done efficiently.

THIS. That last sentence is so true.

If you are a fed lawyer who only works 40 hours a week, your options in private practice likely aren't as plentiful as you think they are.

It's amazing how every single government lawyer is convinced that they can leave the government and find a higher paying job in the private sector - they are very much in demand, you see and only in the government because of the mission/benefits/family friendly schedule/hours/WTH/etc. And sure, some of you will be rock stars. But more of you will crash and burn, if you can get a job at all.

I know for a fact I can make significantly more as a lawyer in the private sector. I turned down several fully remote jobs with government contractors a few months ago to take a fully remote job with the government. The firm offers in the private sector were all $40 - 60k higher. I recently talked to one of those companies, and luckily they said they can still bring me on board. I’ve been practicing government contract law for 20+ years, so that might not be the case for everyone.

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The government presently cannot accept free work. That could be changed I guess if they make everyone fireable at will.

But the long hours I remember Vivek and Elon mentioning was if you wanted to work for DOGE. It's not government and they said for no pay.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

This is what I think will happen too with a potential twist that it will be pushed harder at whatever agencies they want to punish/make people quit.

I think this as well. They’ll manipulate the data to declare victory, pat themselves on the back, and then move on to the next shiny object.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk cannot single handedly do anything, and certainly not increase workdays by two hours, nor fire people who refuse to RTO, or eliminate entire federal agencies whose unions will fight this in court.

Can Trump sign an executive order limiting telework/remote work? Yes, but even that will have to be implemented within certain parameters, will be fought in court etc. no one is going to the office full time for ten hours on Jan 21. Get a grip.

Hopefully by the end of the term this will be a reality though.

Why would you be hopeful about this?

Because they hate feds.

I'm a lawyer, they don't pay me enough to work those hours, I would just quit and go to a firm for those hours.

But here's the deal: you don't want people like me to quit. Those of us who have options are also the people who get stuff done efficiently.

THIS. That last sentence is so true.

If you are a fed lawyer who only works 40 hours a week, your options in private practice likely aren't as plentiful as you think they are.

It's amazing how every single government lawyer is convinced that they can leave the government and find a higher paying job in the private sector - they are very much in demand, you see and only in the government because of the mission/benefits/family friendly schedule/hours/WTH/etc. And sure, some of you will be rock stars. But more of you will crash and burn, if you can get a job at all.

You didn't follow that at all, did you, Sparky. The issue was a 50-hour week. The fed lawyer was saying that if they were forced to work 50 hours a week, they'd just go to private practice and make private practice money.

The last two lawyers that left my office made -- and I'm not kidding -- 5x what they made as feds.

I followed it fine. Every fed lawyer I know who is competent works far more than 40 hours/week. Those who punch the clock? Not worth much.

PP is saying if they have to work more than 40 hours - they will go to private practice and work more hours for more money. How is that not clear?

It is perfectly clear. And I am saying that if they aren't already working more than 40 hours, they likely are in the category of government lawyers who are barely competent, and won't find success in the private sector, if they get jobs at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The government presently cannot accept free work. That could be changed I guess if they make everyone fireable at will.

But the long hours I remember Vivek and Elon mentioning was if you wanted to work for DOGE. It's not government and they said for no pay.

Can they really call it DOGE after Musks crypto currency???

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

This is what I think will happen too with a potential twist that it will be pushed harder at whatever agencies they want to punish/make people quit.

Right ...5 days a week in the office, no more transit subsidy and no more flextime. But probably only doable for non union people.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

This is what I think will happen too with a potential twist that it will be pushed harder at whatever agencies they want to punish/make people quit.

Right ...5 days a week in the office, no more transit subsidy and no more flextime. But probably only doable for non union people.

No they will still give the transit subsidy, and they don’t seem to know about flextime.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we get some directive in the early days (provided any of the new politicals have passed background checks and are actually in the building) to "increase office time to pre-covid levels, to the extent possible with office space/remote work agreements/etc". Then Trump can declare victory and every office can interpret that however they want.

100% this.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk cannot single handedly do anything, and certainly not increase workdays by two hours, nor fire people who refuse to RTO, or eliminate entire federal agencies whose unions will fight this in court.

Can Trump sign an executive order limiting telework/remote work? Yes, but even that will have to be implemented within certain parameters, will be fought in court etc. no one is going to the office full time for ten hours on Jan 21. Get a grip.

Hopefully by the end of the term this will be a reality though.

Why would you be hopeful about this?

Because they hate feds.

I'm a lawyer, they don't pay me enough to work those hours, I would just quit and go to a firm for those hours.

But here's the deal: you don't want people like me to quit. Those of us who have options are also the people who get stuff done efficiently.

THIS. That last sentence is so true.

If you are a fed lawyer who only works 40 hours a week, your options in private practice likely aren't as plentiful as you think they are.

It's amazing how every single government lawyer is convinced that they can leave the government and find a higher paying job in the private sector - they are very much in demand, you see and only in the government because of the mission/benefits/family friendly schedule/hours/WTH/etc. And sure, some of you will be rock stars. But more of you will crash and burn, if you can get a job at all.

The majority of lawyers in federal government started their careers in private practice, because very few agencies hire right out of law school. It's not like we're unfamiliar with law firms.

I’ve turned down a couple jobs bc of lack of telework even though they obviously paid more. I’m sure I’m not alone.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk cannot single handedly do anything, and certainly not increase workdays by two hours, nor fire people who refuse to RTO, or eliminate entire federal agencies whose unions will fight this in court.

Can Trump sign an executive order limiting telework/remote work? Yes, but even that will have to be implemented within certain parameters, will be fought in court etc. no one is going to the office full time for ten hours on Jan 21. Get a grip.

Hopefully by the end of the term this will be a reality though.

Why would you be hopeful about this?

Because they hate feds.

I'm a lawyer, they don't pay me enough to work those hours, I would just quit and go to a firm for those hours.

But here's the deal: you don't want people like me to quit. Those of us who have options are also the people who get stuff done efficiently.

THIS. That last sentence is so true.

If you are a fed lawyer who only works 40 hours a week, your options in private practice likely aren't as plentiful as you think they are.

It's amazing how every single government lawyer is convinced that they can leave the government and find a higher paying job in the private sector - they are very much in demand, you see and only in the government because of the mission/benefits/family friendly schedule/hours/WTH/etc. And sure, some of you will be rock stars. But more of you will crash and burn, if you can get a job at all.

The majority of lawyers in federal government started their careers in private practice, because very few agencies hire right out of law school. It's not like we're unfamiliar with law firms.

100% this. The lawyers at my agency are so hardworking, and almost all of them came from big law (with massive pay cuts as a trade off).

If DOGE makes it miserable for them to work, the younger ones have already voiced they’re going to go back to private, and the older ones only plan to stay as long as they can to retire.