The President is Above the Law

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, this is how it will play out, or at least it's how Trump hopes it will play out

1. Trump will appeal to SCOTUS now
2. Lower court will stay the ruling until SCOTUS hears the case
3. SCOTUS will punt until after the election
4. Trump gets elected
5. SCOTUS indicates a sitting POTUS cannot be tried for this

The Federalist Society - sponsors of Justices Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett and Roberts, are done with Trump. They have backed Haley in 2024.

So no, SCOTUS will not let Trump off. The Justices can just let this stay at the DC Court and let Trump rot.

how do you figure that they are done with Trump? I could see Roberts and Barrett being done with him, but not the others.

They wouldn't be running Haley if they still supported him.

are you saying that they can influence some of the Justices? If so, that is hugely concerning.

Are you kidding?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/345/1129264.page

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The D.C. Circuit Court has upheld the Constitution and common sense. This case is ground zero for our most fundamental freedoms: this is the case of whether ‘we the people’ elect our leaders or a MAGA faction can seize and hold power.

+1

“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, “not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance.”

beautifully written

[Anonymous]

I cannot believe this was even a question ideation, but the decision from the Court was a good read. I hope the SC stops screwing around and denies cert.

[Anonymous]

^no idea where the “ideation” word came from above. Sorry!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look SCOTUS will over turn this. No way this stands with the conservatives having a majority.

There are 2-3 conservative justices who could go either way. Praying they do the right thing and stand up for the rule of law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^no idea where the “ideation” word came from above. Sorry!

It actually made sense to me - before preposterous questions are posed, they have to be created in someone’s head …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look SCOTUS will over turn this. No way this stands with the conservatives having a majority.

Many lawyers and constitutional scholars disagree with you.

Former White House Lawyer (under Trump) thinks that the SCOTUS could rule 9-0 against Trump
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4368984-ex-white-house-lawyer-says-supreme-court-could-rule-9-0-in-possible-trump-14th-amendment-case/

This Yale law professor thinks that a majority of SCOTUS is likely to see the originist intent of 14.3 and should rule in favor of Colorado. He has very sound reasoning for each individual justice for why they should support each individual state's decision on how to conduct elections (rather than a nationwide ruling).
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/supreme-court-trump-section-3.html

There are many more opinion pieces out there that suggest that SCOTUS could support Colorado, so it is not so cut-and-dried as this PP makes it out to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^no idea where the “ideation” word came from above. Sorry!

They call it ideation,
It’s an idea for the nation,
Just so you understand,
This nation we love so much.

We love it,
We really do.

But I had an immunity,
And I had it very strongly.
Complete and total immunity, OK?
Complete and total.

And now they want to take it away,
And it’s a disgrace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look SCOTUS will over turn this. No way this stands with the conservatives having a majority.

There are 2-3 conservative justices who could go either way. Praying they do the right thing and stand up for the rule of law.

I don’t see why they would even entertain this argument. I expect them to deny cert.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look SCOTUS will over turn this. No way this stands with the conservatives having a majority.

There are 2-3 conservative justices who could go either way. Praying they do the right thing and stand up for the rule of law.

I don’t see why they would even entertain this argument. I expect them to deny cert.

The only reason to grant it would be to provide political cover for keeping him on the ballot. If they deny immunity, then they can make themselves seem more evenhanded.

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Anonymous wrote:It does matter that Trump was not convicted by the Senate. But if we now say a president can be tried criminally once they have left office for actions taken while in office, why not have that apply to all prior presidents. That would be interesting to see.

What other presidents in recent memory besides Richard Nixon and Trump have done prosecutable things while in office?

I recall a certain president perjured himself and was disbarred. Perjury is a crime.

How often is perjury prosecuted? And perjury relating to a personal fling, not national security or matters of grave national importance?

Baltimore DA just got convicted of perjury for some minor false information on applications and currently awaiting sentencing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Relax -- it only applies to Trump. Not any other president. And I'm sure he has no plans to ACTUALLY murder anyone....

I disagree. Trump would murder in a heartbeat. He's already bragged that he could murder someone on 5th avenue and nothing would happen. He would murder Biden because Biden had the audacity to "steal" trump's election. If he is reelected Trump will have his own police force, the new SS and Gestapo. He will find a way to find out how every American voted and those who voted against him will be political prisoners in Trump's re-education camps. You think this is crazy and extreme.

"When someone tells you who they are, LISTEN!"

He already controls the GOP members of the Senate and House. He controls the Supreme Court who will agree that he has immunity for life!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It does matter that Trump was not convicted by the Senate. But if we now say a president can be tried criminally once they have left office for actions taken while in office, why not have that apply to all prior presidents. That would be interesting to see.

What other presidents in recent memory besides Richard Nixon and Trump have done prosecutable things while in office?

I recall a certain president perjured himself and was disbarred. Perjury is a crime.

How often is perjury prosecuted? And perjury relating to a personal fling, not national security or matters of grave national importance?

Baltimore DA just got convicted of perjury for some minor false information on applications and currently awaiting sentencing.

Trump’s accountant is currently facing charges of perjury which is why the New York State civil fraud verdict is delayed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relax -- it only applies to Trump. Not any other president. And I'm sure he has no plans to ACTUALLY murder anyone....

I disagree. Trump would murder in a heartbeat. He's already bragged that he could murder someone on 5th avenue and nothing would happen. He would murder Biden because Biden had the audacity to "steal" trump's election. If he is reelected Trump will have his own police force, the new SS and Gestapo. He will find a way to find out how every American voted and those who voted against him will be political prisoners in Trump's re-education camps. You think this is crazy and extreme.

"When someone tells you who they are, LISTEN!"

He already controls the GOP members of the Senate and House. He controls the Supreme Court who will agree that he has immunity for life!

He also tried to give Biden Covid at the debate. And almost murdered Chris Christie by giving him Covid. And would have been fine if his mob hanged Mike Pence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, this is how it will play out, or at least it's how Trump hopes it will play out

1. Trump will appeal to SCOTUS now
2. Lower court will stay the ruling until SCOTUS hears the case
3. SCOTUS will punt until after the election
4. Trump gets elected
5. SCOTUS indicates a sitting POTUS cannot be tried for this

The Federalist Society - sponsors of Justices Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett and Roberts, are done with Trump. They have backed Haley in 2024.

So no, SCOTUS will not let Trump off. The Justices can just let this stay at the DC Court and let Trump rot.

how do you figure that they are done with Trump? I could see Roberts and Barrett being done with him, but not the others.

They wouldn't be running Haley if they still supported him.

are you saying that they can influence some of the Justices? If so, that is hugely concerning.

We already know that Thomas and Alito are on the take and Kavanaugh was on the take prior to his confirmation when all his debts were paid. GOP senators refused to allow an investigation just as they refused FBI investigation of other women who accused Kavanaugh. Roberts has no integrity and is completely ineffective. Gorsuch is getting even for his mother and Barrett will "dance with the man what brings her." Sotomayor, Kagan, and Brown have, somehow, become "Stepford" SC justices.