NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.

So Biden hasn't given blacks enough reason to vote for him in 2024. So instead they will vote for the guy who will give them even less.

You seem daft because I said nothing about blacks voting for Trump. That said, why don't you and the DNC spend more time trying to get white women and men to NOT for Trump? Stop being fixated on the black community and focus on fixing the white voters who keep Republicans relevant.

Wow. Just wow. So you ignore this entire thread, literally the ENTIRE thread, which is LITERALLY about Blacks voting for Trump and the black community, and respond to this one post in an apparent vacuum and in complete ignorance of everything else, to try and call this poster daft and post some completely irrelevant commentary about what white voters should do.

I think YOU are the daft one here. Wow.

Wrong! We are talking about polling data, not actual votes. Maybe you have some secret voting data that I'm not aware of that shows blacks ACTUALLY voting for Trump in significant numbers. I don't care one iota what the polling data says now (Let's revisit the voting date from 2016 and discuss how accurate those were in predicting the results).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

I never see white people being held responsible for what other whites do but somehow black folks are held responsible for the conditions in which other black folks live. Are whites responsible for the opioid epidemic that has devasted rural white communities?

[Anonymous]

All the Republicans seem to live with 1970s stereotypes that most Blacks are unskilled laborers. One of the biggest underreported changes over the past 40 years is the number of Black womens with bachelors, graduate, and professional degrees who are in professional and management positions in government, health care, education, financial services, business services, etc. You are all talking nonsense about the President and ignoring all the outstanding Black Democrats in Congress, state, and local offices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

I never see white people being held responsible for what other whites do but somehow black folks are held responsible for the conditions in which other black folks live. Are whites responsible for the opioid epidemic that has devasted rural white communities?

I think this blame game stems from whites regularly being blamed for blacks issues. Right or wrong, people are beginning to point fingers back at that community because many middle-aged people were children or not born during periods where blame could be assigned to whites. No one is blaming blacks for opioid crisis in rural white communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

The biggest issue that affects all communities is the lack of two parent households. This is a problem for all. Some groups do have a higher rate than others and so certain metrics reflect this disparity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

I never see white people being held responsible for what other whites do but somehow black folks are held responsible for the conditions in which other black folks live. Are whites responsible for the opioid epidemic that has devasted rural white communities?

I think this blame game stems from whites regularly being blamed for blacks issues. Right or wrong, people are beginning to point fingers back at that community because many middle-aged people were children or not born during periods where blame could be assigned to whites. No one is blaming blacks for opioid crisis in rural white communities.

You missed the whole point about the opioid crisis - when bad things happen in white communities, no one expects other white peope to fix those problems but when bad things happen in black communities, it seems everyone expects black people to fix those problems on their own. Now with respect to blaming whites, I specifically brought up the Biden Crime Bill because it has had devastating, lasting effects on the black community.

[Anonymous]

I think you may have missed that white people are blamed for the ills of black people. While no one is really blamed for the rural white issues. So if no blame is assigned then it can’t be redirected.

I guess some blame elite rich people and corporations for rural white issues but that isn’t race specific and is a different convo.

[Anonymous]

Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So, wouldn’t the answer be not to vote for either in the case above?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So, wouldn’t the answer be not to vote for either in the case above?

That is what I believe most of these voters will do in 2024 - they'll abstain from voting for either candidate. They don't seriously believe Trump is a better candidate than Biden, they just aren't convinced Biden deserves their votes. The DNC has ample time to mount a campaign to get the message out but Dems are terrible at messaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects

AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.

The biggest problem is AA kids dropping out of school and a lack of meaningful involvement from anyone else in the AA community who was able to get out of poverty and into a better life to step up and show themselves as positive role models for them. Seems all these kids focus on is unlikely and unsustainable dreams of getting by things like selling weed and rapping.

That's not something that whites can fix for them.

I never see white people being held responsible for what other whites do but somehow black folks are held responsible for the conditions in which other black folks live. Are whites responsible for the opioid epidemic that has devasted rural white communities?

Then that means nobody is responsible and there is no answer, no solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to stop worrying about blacks voters voting for Trump and instead focus on why people don't want to vote for Biden. The list is long: age, immigration, support for Israel, policies regarding sexual identity, homelessness, access to healthcare, housing, CRIME, etc. People living in urban areas really have a lot to grapple with and fear mongering them to not vote for Trump is not going to work this time. And it has everything to do with believing that Democrats won't deliver on these issues and less to do with believing Trump will solve these problems (we know he won't).

So how is any of that somehow a big decision point item?

Age - Trump is almost as old as Biden and in worse physical and mental shape

Immigration - Trump doesn't have any legitimate working solutions either

Support for Israel - Trump was buddy-buddy with Bibi Netanyahu

Sexual identity - what do you think Trump is going to do? Maybe mock people over their sexual identity, but certainly won't have any kind of coherent policy

Homelessness - The GOP doesn't give a single crap about the homeless

Access to healthcare - from the Republicans who take massive donations from big pharma and the health insurance industry, they want to kill medicare, defund NIH and medical research, make you leave the state in order to get a medically necessary abortion even when your life is in danger, get rid of vaccines and all kinds of crazy shit.

Housing - Republicans have ZERO solutions on housing and are propped up by real estate speculators who've caused the cost of housing to spike
Crime - Republicans don't have any answers on crime, just more of the same old failed war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, more racial profiling, and everything else

There's no fear mongering needed. This is their actual track record. This is reality. This is fact.

You wanna be mad that Democrats haven't done enough to fix any of this - but Republicans are the ones breaking everything and making it so that it needs to be fixed in the first place.

Pardon me for expecting the man I voted for in 2020 to actual fix some of the problems that concern some of his constituents. Didn't Biden promise to clean up this mess? In some instances he's doing the same thing Trump did and has made other things worse.

That’s ridiculous.