The deflated grading is just exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

You have no idea how other schools grade. Yours is not the only one that does not inflate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Yes, your child, who has more than most people who have ever lived on this planet, is at a real disadvantage. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

You have no idea how other schools grade. Yours is not the only one that does not inflate.

I said it "feels" like this. Certainly there are others. There are a few others right here in the DMV.
And yes, aside from the college issue that gets more tenuous every year I like grading that actually means something.

But come on, you're clearly having a joyous time poking me fun of me but it's not a particularly comfortable position to hope that colleges will continue to recognize a 3.5 as a strong GPA when the world around here (even many privates) are giving out unweighted 4.0s left and right and weighted GPAs up to 5.0 and even beyond. And when I mention college admissions I'm not talking about Ivy or similar. The kids from these schools that haven't inflated grading are having a hard time at all schools--from Ivies down to second tier state schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

You have no idea how other schools grade. Yours is not the only one that does not inflate.

I said it "feels" like this. Certainly there are others. There are a few others right here in the DMV.
And yes, aside from the college issue that gets more tenuous every year I like grading that actually means something.

But come on, you're clearly having a joyous time poking me fun of me but it's not a particularly comfortable position to hope that colleges will continue to recognize a 3.5 as a strong GPA when the world around here (even many privates) are giving out unweighted 4.0s left and right and weighted GPAs up to 5.0 and even beyond. And when I mention college admissions I'm not talking about Ivy or similar. The kids from these schools that haven't inflated grading are having a hard time at all schools--from Ivies down to second tier state schools.

The Big 3 schools did quite well last year in college admissions.

Any issues I am hearing about were with kids that had the GPAs and scores but the admissions folks dropped the ball. Have several friends whose sons were basically given no college advising and steered away from schools that they could have gotten into. The theory is college counselors needed to make sure other kids got those spots and didn’t want too many applying at certain schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

How does your precious snowflake endure this terrible misfortune?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

How does your precious snowflake endure this terrible misfortune?

You need serious help if this is how you're spending your Sunday afternoon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did you not know this when you decided to have your child attend this school? You literally signed up for this and could have easily avoided it. Not sure why you’re asking for things to change now.

A big thank you whoever posted this! I work at one of the big threes and all of your students are not geniuses, all of them are not smart, yet you enroll them in the schools because of the name, and what they give you back or inflated grades. I know of classes were every child receives an A, they are not all A students- they are struggling, they cheat, they lie, and the teachers give A’s to avoid speaking to any of you.

Choose the best school for your child, not the school that looks best amongst your friends.

[Anonymous]

A big thank you whoever posted this! I work at one of the big threes and all of your students are not geniuses, all of them are not smart, yet you enroll them in the schools because of the name, and what they give you back or inflated grades. I know of classes were every child receives an A, they are not all A students- they are struggling, they cheat, they lie, and the teachers give A’s to avoid speaking to any of you.

Choose the best school for your child, not the school that looks best amongst your friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

You have no idea how other schools grade. Yours is not the only one that does not inflate.

I said it "feels" like this. Certainly there are others. There are a few others right here in the DMV.
And yes, aside from the college issue that gets more tenuous every year I like grading that actually means something.

But come on, you're clearly having a joyous time poking me fun of me but it's not a particularly comfortable position to hope that colleges will continue to recognize a 3.5 as a strong GPA when the world around here (even many privates) are giving out unweighted 4.0s left and right and weighted GPAs up to 5.0 and even beyond. And when I mention college admissions I'm not talking about Ivy or similar. The kids from these schools that haven't inflated grading are having a hard time at all schools--from Ivies down to second tier state schools.

Actually, no you disparaged other schools and accused them of grade inflation, some by name and some by lumping them into an amorphous category as if they were all the same thing (Catholic schools, NY privates, Baltimore privates). That's just rude and dishonest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

Why did you put them in private then knowing that they could get a much higher GPA in public? I agree the GPA does matter on college admissions and it is frustrating and seems unfair. I will say overall kids are Big 3s do fair much better than kids from publics with same grades. Yes factually speaking this is true.

In regards to this specific assignment your child needs to reach out to the teacher and ask why such strict grading and ask what percentage do the grade?

I'm curious what your goals are for your children. My DS had a 3.7 UM GPA and scored a 35 ACT in his first sitting from a Big 3. Maybe it's a humble brag. Feel free to judge.
He wanted to go to a big state school with school spirit and big time sports. That was his choice and we accepted his decision.

My son had a wonderful experience during his freshman year in college. He often says his college classes are easier than his upper school work. I guess some people that send their kids to private schools believe in Ivy or bust. That is ok with me. However, there are many kids that attend privates that have no aspiration to attend the Ivy's or top SLACS/LACS and are happy at their new schools. [/quote

I'm one of the above posters. Is this enough for a big state school in 2023? I'm a Big3 parent an I'm not so sure. I think it works well with the liberal arts colleges but I'm nervous about state schools.

I'm not PP but 2023 parent from a Big 3. My guess is this is not good enough for an unhooked student hoping for admissions to big states like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, or UVA OOS and if you are trying for engineering maybe not for some others if you are male.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

Why did you put them in private then knowing that they could get a much higher GPA in public? I agree the GPA does matter on college admissions and it is frustrating and seems unfair. I will say overall kids are Big 3s do fair much better than kids from publics with same grades. Yes factually speaking this is true.

In regards to this specific assignment your child needs to reach out to the teacher and ask why such strict grading and ask what percentage do the grade?

I'm curious what your goals are for your children. My DS had a 3.7 UM GPA and scored a 35 ACT in his first sitting from a Big 3. Maybe it's a humble brag. Feel free to judge.
He wanted to go to a big state school with school spirit and big time sports. That was his choice and we accepted his decision.

My son had a wonderful experience during his freshman year in college. He often says his college classes are easier than his upper school work. I guess some people that send their kids to private schools believe in Ivy or bust. That is ok with me. However, there are many kids that attend privates that have no aspiration to attend the Ivy's or top SLACS/LACS and are happy at their new schools. [/quote

I'm one of the above posters. Is this enough for a big state school in 2023? I'm a Big3 parent an I'm not so sure. I think it works well with the liberal arts colleges but I'm nervous about state schools.

I'm not PP but 2023 parent from a Big 3. My guess is this is not good enough for an unhooked student hoping for admissions to big states like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, or UVA OOS and if you are trying for engineering maybe not for some others if you are male.

Also a 2023 Big 3 parent and my advice is your child should still apply. I know kids that did end up getting into top 20 schools regular decision after getting denied to much lower schools. Things happen. You won’t know unless you try. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

Why did you put them in private then knowing that they could get a much higher GPA in public? I agree the GPA does matter on college admissions and it is frustrating and seems unfair. I will say overall kids are Big 3s do fair much better than kids from publics with same grades. Yes factually speaking this is true.

In regards to this specific assignment your child needs to reach out to the teacher and ask why such strict grading and ask what percentage do the grade?

I'm curious what your goals are for your children. My DS had a 3.7 UM GPA and scored a 35 ACT in his first sitting from a Big 3. Maybe it's a humble brag. Feel free to judge.
He wanted to go to a big state school with school spirit and big time sports. That was his choice and we accepted his decision.

My son had a wonderful experience during his freshman year in college. He often says his college classes are easier than his upper school work. I guess some people that send their kids to private schools believe in Ivy or bust. That is ok with me. However, there are many kids that attend privates that have no aspiration to attend the Ivy's or top SLACS/LACS and are happy at their new schools. [/quote

I'm one of the above posters. Is this enough for a big state school in 2023? I'm a Big3 parent an I'm not so sure. I think it works well with the liberal arts colleges but I'm nervous about state schools.

I'm not PP but 2023 parent from a Big 3. My guess is this is not good enough for an unhooked student hoping for admissions to big states like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, or UVA OOS and if you are trying for engineering maybe not for some others if you are male.

Also a 2023 Big 3 parent and my advice is your child should still apply. I know kids that did end up getting into top 20 schools regular decision after getting denied to much lower schools. Things happen. You won’t know unless you try. Good luck.

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A big thank you whoever posted this! I work at one of the big threes and all of your students are not geniuses, all of them are not smart, yet you enroll them in the schools because of the name, and what they give you back or inflated grades. I know of classes were every child receives an A, they are not all A students- they are struggling, they cheat, they lie, and the teachers give A’s to avoid speaking to any of you.

Choose the best school for your child, not the school that looks best amongst your friends.

I very much doubt that you have any affiliation with the big 3

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A big thank you whoever posted this! I work at one of the big threes and all of your students are not geniuses, all of them are not smart, yet you enroll them in the schools because of the name, and what they give you back or inflated grades. I know of classes were every child receives an A, they are not all A students- they are struggling, they cheat, they lie, and the teachers give A’s to avoid speaking to any of you.

Choose the best school for your child, not the school that looks best amongst your friends.

I very much doubt that you have any affiliation with the big 3

I doubt is as well. The spelling and grammar mistakes are plentiful.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

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How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

How does your precious snowflake endure this terrible misfortune?

You need serious help if this is how you're spending your Sunday afternoon.

As do you for contributing to this 17-page whinefest.