Spanish Immersion Community Table Session

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

I agree that would be interesting data, along with number of kids by neighborhood ES and which MS(s) kids go to when they discontinue immersion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

This is exactly what Key people said to protest moving Key. When the time came, they all moved with the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put it at Jefferson and make it truly central

This is what I want but I heard APS said something about not having IB and immersion at the same place.

Then move IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

This is exactly what Key people said to protest moving Key. When the time came, they all moved with the program.

Moving an essentially central Arlington elementary program to another essentially central Arlington location is not the same - at all - as moving from Gunston to Williamsburg. Second of all, Key and Claremont draw zones are divided up by geography; so they aren't fully countywide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put it at Jefferson and make it truly central

This is what I want but I heard APS said something about not having IB and immersion at the same place.

Then move IB.

And move it where? You're just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Besides, IB is not a program within TJ - it IS TJ's instructional model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put it at Jefferson and make it truly central

This is what I want but I heard APS said something about not having IB and immersion at the same place.

Then move IB.

And move it where? You're just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Besides, IB is not a program within TJ - it IS TJ's instructional model.

So it’s not a program where people lottery into it? Then what would be the issue with having Immersion there?

Swanson, Hamm are also more central than either WMS or Gunston.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

I guess I am not sure why that matters? The program is moving from gunston to kennore or WMS? Gunston is closer to kenmore than it is to WMS. Gunston is also closer to TJ than WMS is to TJ. The bulk of immersion kids come from gunston, TJ and Kenmore. I think I read the vast majority are from gunston (but don't have that data).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

Why is this a relevant metric? I haven't heard of any immersion students who are zoned for WMS saying that Kenmore is too far (though there are concerns about traffic and safety). And there are a lot of immersion students who live further south than Kenmore. They are the ones for whom distance to WMS would be an issue.

This point also disregards the lack of EL support at WMS, the feeder pattern issue to Wakefield vs Yorktown, the lack of proximity to public transit, the lack of proximity to an Hispanic community, the lack of diversity at WMS, the historic issues around busing, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

Why is this a relevant metric? I haven't heard of any immersion students who are zoned for WMS saying that Kenmore is too far (though there are concerns about traffic and safety). And there are a lot of immersion students who live further south than Kenmore. They are the ones for whom distance to WMS would be an issue.

This point also disregards the lack of EL support at WMS, the feeder pattern issue to Wakefield vs Yorktown, the lack of proximity to public transit, the lack of proximity to an Hispanic community, the lack of diversity at WMS, the historic issues around busing, etc.

Enough with the "historic issues around busing."
Let's move on!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

Why is this a relevant metric? I haven't heard of any immersion students who are zoned for WMS saying that Kenmore is too far (though there are concerns about traffic and safety). And there are a lot of immersion students who live further south than Kenmore. They are the ones for whom distance to WMS would be an issue.

This point also disregards the lack of EL support at WMS, the feeder pattern issue to Wakefield vs Yorktown, the lack of proximity to public transit, the lack of proximity to an Hispanic community, the lack of diversity at WMS, the historic issues around busing, etc.

They will move teachers and resources, it’s not rocket science. Why does Feeder pattern matter — they will be going with their immersion cohort, just like they did going to middle school rather than with their neighborhood. Again why does proximity of Hispanic community matter — are they taking daily field trips to the bodega?? They are bused from Kenmore to Gunston, they can take the shorter bus ride to WMS. Lack of diversity— moving immersion literally helps fix that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

I guess I am not sure why that matters? The program is moving from gunston to kennore or WMS? Gunston is closer to kenmore than it is to WMS. Gunston is also closer to TJ than WMS is to TJ. The bulk of immersion kids come from gunston, TJ and Kenmore. I think I read the vast majority are from gunston (but don't have that data).

Don’t lie. Kenmore is closer to WMS than Gunston, I just mapped it. TJ is closer to Gunston, but the route to WMS is on the faster north section of George Mason rather than Wash Blvd with way more traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

I guess I am not sure why that matters? The program is moving from gunston to kennore or WMS? Gunston is closer to kenmore than it is to WMS. Gunston is also closer to TJ than WMS is to TJ. The bulk of immersion kids come from gunston, TJ and Kenmore. I think I read the vast majority are from gunston (but don't have that data).

Don’t lie. Kenmore is closer to WMS than Gunston, I just mapped it. TJ is closer to Gunston, but the route to WMS is on the faster north section of George Mason rather than Wash Blvd with way more traffic.

I am not lying. I never said kenmore was not closer. I said what the heck does that have to do with anything? Immersion families aren't 100% from Kenmore as I was attempting to point out when you ignored everything I said?

I didn't even mention Kenmore's distance to WMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many students need to be moved out of Gunston? More than 300? If you take the 300 in immersion and move them to WMS and then move kids into Hamm with boundaries is that not fixing the issue of too few kids at WMS and Hamm and too many at Gunston? You act as if the only ways to move students are the two maps/scenarios they put out to bolster their foregone decision. It’s not. Immersion out of Gunston to WMS, shift TJ/Swanson PUs to Hamm and I think we’re there. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it is a possibility and should be looked at in terms of how many buses it requires and how many neighborhood students would be moved/realigned. That hasn’t happened, and “because it’s bad for
Immersion” doesn’t cut it.

If a significant number of immersion students zoned for Gunston, Kenmore and TJ don't agree to move to WMS (highly likely), then you haven't moved 300 students. You are back in the same pickle with needing to move neighborhood boundaries to move more students north. You've harmed the program without accomplishing your objective of protecting a few Taylor students from being rezoned.

Why would Kenmore and TJ students refuse WMS, its about the same distance and in fact Kenmore to WMS is shorter than Kenmore to Gunston.

I have no idea how many immersion students originate from Gunston, that is not show in transfer report I saw.

Perhaps read the thread? Goodness. This has been well discussed.

The thread says WMS is too far north, yet WMS is CLOSER to Kenmore than the current Gunston commute. So there is no reason

I guess I am not sure why that matters? The program is moving from gunston to kennore or WMS? Gunston is closer to kenmore than it is to WMS. Gunston is also closer to TJ than WMS is to TJ. The bulk of immersion kids come from gunston, TJ and Kenmore. I think I read the vast majority are from gunston (but don't have that data).

Don’t lie. Kenmore is closer to WMS than Gunston, I just mapped it. TJ is closer to Gunston, but the route to WMS is on the faster north section of George Mason rather than Wash Blvd with way more traffic.

I am not lying. I never said kenmore was not closer. I said what the heck does that have to do with anything? Immersion families aren't 100% from Kenmore as I was attempting to point out when you ignored everything I said?

I didn't even mention Kenmore's distance to WMS.

Same poster here. I get it. You are talking about the hispanic families at kenmore and how it's better for them? Sure. What about the families that are zoned gunston and TJ? The idea behind moving to Kenmore is that it's in the middle for EVERYONE.