New 2022-2023 Covid Plan and Guidelines

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

But listen to yourself. If it presents as allergies, who gives a f*%k?

Might present as allergies in Bob, but give Brian a week of asthmatic misery.

And so does rhino virus, flu, strep, and actual allergies.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

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"1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS.

Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers? How do you separate MCPS numbers that involved mandated/random/facilitated testing with non-MCPS numbers that primarily involved self-selected testing? Also, you're assuming causality between the uptick in non-MCPS numbers after the MCPS infections, yes? How does this align against MoCo numbers peaking during winter break and consistently dropping over the course of January and completely bottoming out in February/March? Further, where is the data in general that Covid waves are statistically influenced/driven by in-person school and not associated with the typical variant wave patterns?

Aside, your post is so entirely disingenuous as to not to be taken seriously. You're selectively ascribing post attacks to the non-masking crowd. There's a whole catalog of attacks from the other side to choose from: "Something is wrong with your household"; "It's called parenting - try it"; "I care about my kids, you do not"; "No wonder kids have mental health problems"; and on and on and on. When you show bias to this degree, it discounts or entirely invalidates everything else you're trying to communicate.

You are confusing opinions, slurs, and expressing feelings with factual and logical errors, so I'm not sure what your point is. What I will say is that the quantity, frequency, and overall outrageous factual and logical errors made by the non-masking crowd are really over the top. The question you should be asking is why MCPS changed their reporting methods twice (in January / February). Anyone hiding their data is hiding information from the parents and public-at-large. This is how I know I should not be taking you seriously.

Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers?

MCPS withheld reporting daily infections, choosing to only report a multi-day window and only a daily infection count on the following day only, making the analysis difficult. However, by tracking the January daily numbers it was clear that by subtracting the counts from the Montgomery County reported numbers that the county rise appears to have coincided with a prior increase at MCPS (MCPS was the leading edge, followed by an increase in overall county numbers to by subtracting out the MCPS numbers you get the approximate adult infection rates). The trend was that (a) families spread at Thanksgiving and December (adults seemed to surge prior than MCPS), (b) in Jan the trend seemed to reverse as kids brought it to school and other infected kids brought it home to infect other adult family members (MCPS numbers appeared to lead county increases mid-to-late Jan).

Another way to look at it is if children are unmasked sitting in a school cafeteria in the middle of Winter with infected children, for example, why would you think that environment is safe and it is not possible to spread infections? That doesn't even hold water and was already disproven by the panic call to the national guard, so the only question is - what will happen this year?

??? Your post is a mess. You are literally making analysis up. That’s not how it works. Did you even look at MoCo’s data during this time period? It’s still available on Google.

That's funny. The funnier part is I'm the one who predicted that covid wasn't over in 2020, 21, that variants would appear, covid would spike in winter, etc. I'm also the one who posted the daily counts in January. So if I am "making analysis up", I think I have a better track record than anyone at MCPS or on this website?

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"1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS.

Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers? How do you separate MCPS numbers that involved mandated/random/facilitated testing with non-MCPS numbers that primarily involved self-selected testing? Also, you're assuming causality between the uptick in non-MCPS numbers after the MCPS infections, yes? How does this align against MoCo numbers peaking during winter break and consistently dropping over the course of January and completely bottoming out in February/March? Further, where is the data in general that Covid waves are statistically influenced/driven by in-person school and not associated with the typical variant wave patterns?

Aside, your post is so entirely disingenuous as to not to be taken seriously. You're selectively ascribing post attacks to the non-masking crowd. There's a whole catalog of attacks from the other side to choose from: "Something is wrong with your household"; "It's called parenting - try it"; "I care about my kids, you do not"; "No wonder kids have mental health problems"; and on and on and on. When you show bias to this degree, it discounts or entirely invalidates everything else you're trying to communicate.

You are confusing opinions, slurs, and expressing feelings with factual and logical errors, so I'm not sure what your point is. What I will say is that the quantity, frequency, and overall outrageous factual and logical errors made by the non-masking crowd are really over the top. The question you should be asking is why MCPS changed their reporting methods twice (in January / February). Anyone hiding their data is hiding information from the parents and public-at-large. This is how I know I should not be taking you seriously.

Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers?

MCPS withheld reporting daily infections, choosing to only report a multi-day window and only a daily infection count on the following day only, making the analysis difficult. However, by tracking the January daily numbers it was clear that by subtracting the counts from the Montgomery County reported numbers that the county rise appears to have coincided with a prior increase at MCPS (MCPS was the leading edge, followed by an increase in overall county numbers to by subtracting out the MCPS numbers you get the approximate adult infection rates). The trend was that (a) families spread at Thanksgiving and December (adults seemed to surge prior than MCPS), (b) in Jan the trend seemed to reverse as kids brought it to school and other infected kids brought it home to infect other adult family members (MCPS numbers appeared to lead county increases mid-to-late Jan).

Another way to look at it is if children are unmasked sitting in a school cafeteria in the middle of Winter with infected children, for example, why would you think that environment is safe and it is not possible to spread infections? That doesn't even hold water and was already disproven by the panic call to the national guard, so the only question is - what will happen this year?

??? Your post is a mess. You are literally making analysis up. That’s not how it works. Did you even look at MoCo’s data during this time period? It’s still available on Google.

That's funny. The funnier part is I'm the one who predicted that covid wasn't over in 2020, 21, that variants would appear, covid would spike in winter, etc. I'm also the one who posted the daily counts in January. So if I am "making analysis up", I think I have a better track record than anyone at MCPS or on this website?

Given people are home testing and not reporting it we will never know true daily count. My doctor was really annoyed at me for not going in for a pcr so they could track it when I saw her later on but I had called and emailed the office to talk to her and they refused a phone appointment and told me to go to the ER. If MCPS doesn't do weekly testing, they will not really know except for self report. Its going to be a hot mess and if not, that's because it cycled through a lot of us this summer.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

But listen to yourself. If it presents as allergies, who gives a f*%k?

Might present as allergies in Bob, but give Brian a week of asthmatic misery.

And so does rhino virus, flu, strep, and actual allergies.

You don't suddenly develop allergies or asthma. However having both, I can tell you covid is very different.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Health and spreading this is a moral issue. We get it. Just stop complaining about your kids having mental health and other issues, as why should we care about it when you don't care to fix the problems in your home and personality that are creating them.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Yep, the only "decent people" are the ones who make Covid the center of their lives. I always come away from this board even more resolute in my decision to never mask me or my kids again...

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Yep, the only "decent people" are the ones who make Covid the center of their lives. I always come away from this board even more resolute in my decision to never mask me or my kids again...

Right, because people with health issues and other needs that covid can seriously impact don't matter. The only thing important is your needs are met. I feel sad for your kids. You cannot set a good example for them.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Yep, the only "decent people" are the ones who make Covid the center of their lives. I always come away from this board even more resolute in my decision to never mask me or my kids again...

Right, because people with health issues and other needs that covid can seriously impact don't matter. The only thing important is your needs are met. I feel sad for your kids. You cannot set a good example for them.

Okay, feel sad for them. I'll be out with the unmasked majority all weekend in the mean time...

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Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Yep, the only "decent people" are the ones who make Covid the center of their lives. I always come away from this board even more resolute in my decision to never mask me or my kids again...

Right, because people with health issues and other needs that covid can seriously impact don't matter. The only thing important is your needs are met. I feel sad for your kids. You cannot set a good example for them.

Set a good example = have them live in fear of a cold.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

But listen to yourself. If it presents as allergies, who gives a f*%k?

Might present as allergies in Bob, but give Brian a week of asthmatic misery.

And so does rhino virus, flu, strep, and actual allergies.

You don't suddenly develop allergies or asthma. However having both, I can tell you covid is very different.

Mostly agree. My allergies in the spring are much worse than my covid infection. Though, it was awfully close to my more mild allergies in the summer. I definitely wouldn’t have even thought to test if my kids hadn’t recently tested positive from covid (asymptomatic, but they needed tests due to exposures).

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

Yep, the only "decent people" are the ones who make Covid the center of their lives. I always come away from this board even more resolute in my decision to never mask me or my kids again...

Agreed!

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.

But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.

The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.

Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.

Might? They already have.

There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.

It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.

Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?

If you knew you were exposed, why not test?

For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!

That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.

DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.

I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.