“Rick” summer reading

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Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

They won't engage in a rational discussion because they can't support their arguments. The whole point here was to get people emotionally upset by spreading misinformation (i.e. "Look what the SJW's did now OMG OMG!!"). Responding is just playing their silly game.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

Perhaps you should learn more about the assignment before spouting off. The book wasn’t assigned for the English class summer reading, it was a separate MYP summer assignment. The English class assignment is separate, and asks kids to read pretty much any text of their choosing and then write a reflection on it. The Middle Years Programme is part of the IB curriculum, and it for uses on students making connections between the school studies and the real world.

All this nonsense about Rick vs Hemingway is so dumb because the assignments come from different parts of the school curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

DP. You understand that this book making it into a middle school curriculum this summer undermines your argument that only an increasingly small part of the population supports its inclusion, right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

DP. You understand that this book making it into a middle school curriculum this summer undermines your argument that only an increasingly small part of the population supports its inclusion, right?

Of course, they do, but they're just trying to stir up trouble by posing as a regular concerned parent. This more about faux outrage and has no substance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

DP. You understand that this book making it into a middle school curriculum this summer undermines your argument that only an increasingly small part of the population supports its inclusion, right?

The general public doesn’t know about it!

And I’m also not a right wing anything. I’m a card carrying MoCo democrat. But with people like you an attitude like yours that’s going to drive people further to the right and more motivated to vote for idiots like Cox.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

DP. You understand that this book making it into a middle school curriculum this summer undermines your argument that only an increasingly small part of the population supports its inclusion, right?

I mean, the irony is that assigning this book was only possible because Westland is a predominantly white, politically and economically homogenous, educational institution. Anywhere with actual diversity, including religious diversity or where the majority of the kids were not US-born, would have given kids a choice of books to read that would have included a book like Rick but also a book like All American Muslim Girl or Esperanza Rising.

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MCPS is run by a bunch of Marxists looking to push a radical anti family agenda on families. Go DeSantis!

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Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

If you’re so feeble and weak minded that you’d automatically switch to the party that doesn’t believe in basic human rights for women because your 7th grader had to read a book you don’t like, then you have some severe critical thinking problems.

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Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

If you’re so feeble and weak minded that you’d automatically switch to the party that doesn’t believe in basic human rights for women because your 7th grader had to read a book you don’t like, then you have some severe critical thinking problems.

Stirring up nonsense like this in VA helped get Youngkin elected so the far-right is trying these tactics out here too with the hope of achieving some success by stoking fear and focusing on these emotional wedge issues.

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Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

If you’re so feeble and weak minded that you’d automatically switch to the party that doesn’t believe in basic human rights for women because your 7th grader had to read a book you don’t like, then you have some severe critical thinking problems.

Wow, I'm biting my tongue to keep from coming back at you with the same nasty mean spirited attitude you are displaying, but I'll try to explain it to you civilly -- you attitude brought us Donald Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is run by a bunch of Marxists looking to push a radical anti family agenda on families. Go DeSantis!

Paid for by the people for Ron DeSantis

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Anonymous wrote:The social warriors are strong in this thread!

And they will never let go of their anti-LGBTQ+ agenda.

Keep willfully ignoring every argument made on this thread. Keep telling yourself the other side has no real argument and is only anti-LGBTQ, even though posters keep saying that is NOT their issue.

Keep it up. You will lose.

Nobody is making any arguments beyond a vague “it’s wrong.” No one will explain what exactly they are afraid will happen. People raise these bogeymen of supposedly inappropriate reading questions or class discussions, and then conveniently disappear when asked to provide more information to explain why it was inappropriate.

Here’s a clue - when your position requires withholding relevant information so it can’t be challenged, your position is probably wrong.

Have you even read the thread? I've posted several times and so have others. What a waste of time since you don't actually want reasons.

Seriously. We have given many specific reasons. No one here has taken issue with the LGBTQ piece. I would still think the book and topic were too mature if the character were heterosexual and exploring heteronormative feelings and the school wanted my 11 year old to submit charts to the new English teacher labeling his gender identity and sexuality. Is nothing personal and private for adolescents and their families?

No, you haven’t. You’ve just said it’s wrong and should only be taught at home, with no explanation of what specific things are being taught in the classroom or what harm may come from what schools are teaching. People have asked for details about the supposedly objectionable reading questions and been ignored. People have asked for an explanation of a poster’s story about a supposedly inappropriate “how we met story” and been ignored. People asked the poster to explain what she was referring to when she said her kid’s school was teaching inappropriate values about relationships and were ignored. Whenever you people are pressed for specific on the harmful things that are supposedly happening in schools, you dodge, deflect and attack, because you know you can’t answer the question in a way that supports your position. We all see through you.

From the Cultural Warrior 101 playbook.

Asking you to support your arguments is a “Cultural Warrior 101 playbook”? To rational people, it’s just called critical thinking.

So if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, it only counts if they support their feelings to your liking and specifications? People are allowed to have different opinions from you without justifying them to you. Who anointed you arbiter of whether someone’s argument is supported enough?

If you want someone to come around to your opinion, then yes, you have to provide support for it. If you want your opinion to be given consideration when setting school curriculum, yes, you have to provide support for it. Otherwise your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s just noise.

I’m not here to persuade you or convince you of anything. The whole point if this post was that the OP did not feel the summer reading book/assignment was appropriate. Many people agreed with her. Others felt strongly the assignment was fine/important/awesome/what have you. I don’t think either side was going to change the minds of the others.

Okay, so there really wasn’t a point to this thread, it’s just the right-wing outrage machine in action again.

I'm not right-wing. I'm liberal (although apparently I can't call myself liberal unless I'm onboard with MCPS English curriculum). I am against watered down BS books our kids are being asked to read specifically because they are about a certain subject. If you're going to teach English, then teach English. If you want to talk about cultural norms or sexual preference, then do it in the appropriate classes. Or at the very least come up with some books that are actually worth reading for reasons other than an agenda.

I love it when the right-wing CATO posters claim to be liberals. You know they're desperate whenever that happens.

I'm not a right-wing, sweaty-palmed CATO poster. I'm a real liberal. Guess what -- those on the right, those slightly on the left of right and now those squarely on the left are being turned off by your agenda. You're leaving a smaller and smaller sliver of people on your side.

If you’re so feeble and weak minded that you’d automatically switch to the party that doesn’t believe in basic human rights for women because your 7th grader had to read a book you don’t like, then you have some severe critical thinking problems.

Not the PP, and certainly never going to vote (R). But as someone with a GNC child, I'd actually strongly prefer that MCPS not go out looking for trouble here. This book and assignment, with its rainbow slideshow and its mandatory assignment to write about your gender identity, seems tailor-made to wind up on Fox News. So, great, MCPS is morally and ethically correct, but that doesn't actually protect my kid when a pissed off rando shows up at my child's middle school looking to take out "groomers."

So, no, there's nothing wrong with this assignment. Except that the people who came up with it are not the same people who it is going to endanger.