Dr. Duran must go

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children.

Well that's not very much money for Arlington and back up child care is available in this area but the services are set up so an employer must purchase slots for their employees to use and then the employees can use the service for a daily fee. Of course there are other options and yes teachers just like other working professionals need to be prepared for instances when they need back up care. For example, many at home daycares don't close on snow days because they don't need to since the provider doesn't need to leave home to work.

1) The sub shortage is due to COVID (increased need for subs and decreased willingness of people to sub). This too shall pass.
2) If in the future the sub system is no longer to be relied upon, then I agree. HOWEVER lets not pretend it isn't a change and that teachers are slackers because their employers had a back up system in place and then that back up system failed.
3) I agree it would have made sense for Syphax to telework, maybe even to call it an additional teacher planning day. But no way is it reasonable to suddenly demand teachers have back up child care when the sub system starts to fail.

When my parent was a teacher they had only 7 days of leave during the school year (sick and personal combined). If my parent needed to miss an additional day for any reason they simply didn't get paid. How many on DCUM have that little leave?

And while I'm thinking about this, why should the job and NOT caring for a sick family member be the priority? Isn't that thinking exactly what is wrong with America's work culture?

What does a sub shortage have to do with back up child care? If a teacher is at a school that is going to open, but their child's school is not, the teacher would need to have back up child care available for their child.

The sub system is the backup child care system, especially on short notice.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children

Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.

We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.

And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.

That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.

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PP thank you for teaching!

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Anonymous wrote:PP thank you for teaching!

I love it! 🙂

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children

Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.

We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.

And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.

That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.

It’s not “part of the job” to expect a neighboring district to close its doors because staff didn’t plan for childcare.. If teachers want their schedules to align with their kids, they should teach in their home district.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children

Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.

We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.

And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.

That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.

It’s not “part of the job” to expect a neighboring district to close its doors because staff didn’t plan for childcare.. If teachers want their schedules to align with their kids, they should teach in their home district.

Quit the drama. No teacher expected another district to shut down for them. APS didn't shut down for any one teacher, it was the combination of COVID + weather + sub shortage. Aim your frustration somewhere besides teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children.

HAHA. I have a masters and make 62.

All - let's try comparing apples to apples here!! Teachers are NOT working year round with 2 weeks vacation and 9 holidays like many of us are.

So let's stop comparing teacher salaries to everyone else's. this is a one of the reasons why teachers are teaching - because they have the same time off as their kids. What other profession has this?? Teachers absolutely deserve every penny and beyond, but let's stop trying to compare teacher salary to other careers.. I would absolutely take a huge pay cut to have the same schedule as my kids, or at least very similar.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children

Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.

We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.

And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.

That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.

How many hours/year do teachers work? I'm making a little over 6-figures, work about 50 hours/week with 2.5 weeks vacation and 9 holidays. BS Degree, 20 years in my profession. I pay an insane amount of money towards childcare because I have to work when my kids are not in school. Sorry, I have a ton of respect for teachers but not when they complain about how much money they make with their schedule and amount of time off, before snow days.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children



Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.



We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.



And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.



That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.



How many hours/year do teachers work? I'm making a little over 6-figures, work about 50 hours/week with 2.5 weeks vacation and 9 holidays. BS Degree, 20 years in my profession. I pay an insane amount of money towards childcare because I have to work when my kids are not in school. Sorry, I have a ton of respect for teachers but not when they complain about how much money they make with their schedule and amount of time off, before snow days.

Complain? Show me where a single teacher on this thread has done anything but try to respond to those who posted inaccurate information about their salaries, or explain that snow days are an appreciated perk of their job. I'll wait.
(And teachers easily work 50+ hours a week during the school year. Easily.)

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children

Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.

We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.

And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.

That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.

How many hours/year do teachers work? I'm making a little over 6-figures, work about 50 hours/week with 2.5 weeks vacation and 9 holidays. BS Degree, 20 years in my profession. I pay an insane amount of money towards childcare because I have to work when my kids are not in school. Sorry, I have a ton of respect for teachers but not when they complain about how much money they make with their schedule and amount of time off, before snow days.

Fifty hours a week is a normal week. Sometimes it’s more. I personally think a master’s + 30 should at least make the same as you, even with the vacation time. Sorry.

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I think I'm the PP who first said teachers don't make enough to pay for backup care. I didn't mean for this to devolve into whether teachers are paid enough. Its hard for me to listen to complaining from UMC incomes about how they are expected to have back up care for their kids and so teachers should too when 1) UMC incomes earn a lot more than teachers so covering extra expenses should be easier 2) teachers do have a back up care plan in place. the sub system. the sub system failed. I think more than a few people were surprised, no?

I'm not a teacher and I understand this was frustrating after several days of winter related closures, but this is NOT something to blame teachers for.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children.

Well that's not very much money for Arlington and back up child care is available in this area but the services are set up so an employer must purchase slots for their employees to use and then the employees can use the service for a daily fee. Of course there are other options and yes teachers just like other working professionals need to be prepared for instances when they need back up care. For example, many at home daycares don't close on snow days because they don't need to since the provider doesn't need to leave home to work.

1) The sub shortage is due to COVID (increased need for subs and decreased willingness of people to sub). This too shall pass.
2) If in the future the sub system is no longer to be relied upon, then I agree. HOWEVER lets not pretend it isn't a change and that teachers are slackers because their employers had a back up system in place and then that back up system failed.
3) I agree it would have made sense for Syphax to telework, maybe even to call it an additional teacher planning day. But no way is it reasonable to suddenly demand teachers have back up child care when the sub system starts to fail.

When my parent was a teacher they had only 7 days of leave during the school year (sick and personal combined). If my parent needed to miss an additional day for any reason they simply didn't get paid. How many on DCUM have that little leave?

And while I'm thinking about this, why should the job and NOT caring for a sick family member be the priority? Isn't that thinking exactly what is wrong with America's work culture?

What does a sub shortage have to do with back up child care? If a teacher is at a school that is going to open, but their child's school is not, the teacher would need to have back up child care available for their child.

The sub system is the backup child care system, especially on short notice.

But the sub system is set up to have a someone cover for them at work on short notice. Backup childcare would mean having an alternative childcare arrangement so that the employee can go to work. Many people have to figure out their own backup childcare in the scenario that a colleague cannot cover for them at work. Just wanted to point out the difference. I’m sure with short staffing lots of people are having a hard time finding someone to cover them and therefore have to find a school closure camp, family member, neighbor, spouse, etc. to watch their kid(s) while they work. This past Thursday “snow” day I spent $300 (essentially my salary for the day) for 2 kids to attend a snow day camp because I couldn’t take off again after all the leave I used for the previous snow week not to mention the past school year when trying to deal with virtual school. Being a working parent really freaking sucks right now for all of us, not just teachers. But parents don’t seem to be getting the same consideration from APS as teachers. The solution to more snow is virtual school, which again, sucks for working parents with young kids. They need to be finding ways to build back in-person learning and not relying on more free labor from parents to meet the obligation of educational hours for the school year.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children



Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.



We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.



And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.



That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.



How many hours/year do teachers work? I'm making a little over 6-figures, work about 50 hours/week with 2.5 weeks vacation and 9 holidays. BS Degree, 20 years in my profession. I pay an insane amount of money towards childcare because I have to work when my kids are not in school. Sorry, I have a ton of respect for teachers but not when they complain about how much money they make with their schedule and amount of time off, before snow days.

Complain? Show me where a single teacher on this thread has done anything but try to respond to those who posted inaccurate information about their salaries, or explain that snow days are an appreciated perk of their job. I'll wait.
(And teachers easily work 50+ hours a week during the school year. Easily.)

I think you're missing PP's point. PP is working those 50+ hours a week YEAR ROUND, save 2 weeks vacation....and maybe federal holidays. Teachers are working those hours 3/4 of the year. They have 10 weeks vacation built-in, plus some sick/personal days during the school year, plus paid leave on "weather" cancellation days. PP (like the rest of us parents) likely take a vacation or sick day for those weather cancellation days, eating into their already much less limited leave.

PP didn't say anything about anyone making such complaints in this particular thread. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen and isn't seen or heard in other venues. PP is correct about it being apples to oranges salary comparison. Do the math to figure out the hourly wage equivalent, not a full year's salary. Or just a proportional calculation: $70K for 9 months work (regardless of how many hours overtime, since that happens with other professions as well) versus $110K for 12 months work. Both have college degrees, both have lots of experience in their field.

And yes, teachers might choose to work summer school or do extra tutoring. That's their CHOICE. They work in a field that employs and pays them for 9 months. If I had a job that employs and pays me for only 9 months and I still wanted or needed additional income, I'd be taking part-time and summer jobs, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I'm the PP who first said teachers don't make enough to pay for backup care. I didn't mean for this to devolve into whether teachers are paid enough. Its hard for me to listen to complaining from UMC incomes about how they are expected to have back up care for their kids and so teachers should too when 1) UMC incomes earn a lot more than teachers so covering extra expenses should be easier 2) teachers do have a back up care plan in place. the sub system. the sub system failed. I think more than a few people were surprised, no?

I'm not a teacher and I understand this was frustrating after several days of winter related closures, but this is NOT something to blame teachers for.

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This comment is way too reasonable for DCUM.

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I don’t buy that teachers don’t get paid enough for back up childcare. The average teacher salary in Arlington is 80-100k. There is no reason they can not afford childcare care. All other employees from mall workers, grocery workers, sanitation workers, waitresses come to work. They make less than what the teachers make. This is now more about a woke, progressive culture taking over N Virginia to such an extreme level that people are looking out for themselves instead of the greater good and not taking personal responsibility. These people have no sense of professionalism anymore or duty. Dr Duran is a prime example of someone from that woke culture who will put employees first before students because he believes whole heartedly that this school system exists to employ teachers rather than a system made to educate the city’s children



Source? I know teachers in APS that have worked there 10-12 years who are making $70K. With master's degrees.



We’ve had a ton of salary freezes over the past 12 years or so- the only teacher making 80k-100k have been there at least 20 years. Not comparable to most other professionals in this area with masters degrees.



And the ones making that much probably don’t have elementary aged kids.



That’s right. People making closer to $100K are either PhDs and/or have more than 20 years in. I am a master’s + 30 with almost 15 years, and I’m not making $100K. I’m not really complaining, but when people start getting petty about snow days and the fact that my schedule aligns with my children’s, I have to say, that’s a part of the job that makes up for the salary. Always has been.



How many hours/year do teachers work? I'm making a little over 6-figures, work about 50 hours/week with 2.5 weeks vacation and 9 holidays. BS Degree, 20 years in my profession. I pay an insane amount of money towards childcare because I have to work when my kids are not in school. Sorry, I have a ton of respect for teachers but not when they complain about how much money they make with their schedule and amount of time off, before snow days.

Complain? Show me where a single teacher on this thread has done anything but try to respond to those who posted inaccurate information about their salaries, or explain that snow days are an appreciated perk of their job. I'll wait.
(And teachers easily work 50+ hours a week during the school year. Easily.)

I think you're missing PP's point. PP is working those 50+ hours a week YEAR ROUND, save 2 weeks vacation....and maybe federal holidays. Teachers are working those hours 3/4 of the year. They have 10 weeks vacation built-in, plus some sick/personal days during the school year, plus paid leave on "weather" cancellation days. PP (like the rest of us parents) likely take a vacation or sick day for those weather cancellation days, eating into their already much less limited leave.

PP didn't say anything about anyone making such complaints in this particular thread. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen and isn't seen or heard in other venues. PP is correct about it being apples to oranges salary comparison. Do the math to figure out the hourly wage equivalent, not a full year's salary. Or just a proportional calculation: $70K for 9 months work (regardless of how many hours overtime, since that happens with other professions as well) versus $110K for 12 months work. Both have college degrees, both have lots of experience in their field.

And yes, teachers might choose to work summer school or do extra tutoring. That's their CHOICE. They work in a field that employs and pays them for 9 months. If I had a job that employs and pays me for only 9 months and I still wanted or needed additional income, I'd be taking part-time and summer jobs, too.

EXACTLY!!!! If my employer cut my pay by x $, allowed me to have every break/holiday off with my kids, summer, snow days, etc etc - I would be all over it in a heartbeat, that is not an option for me. In fact, I would probably end up making the same (possibly even more) income since saving for all the extra childcare I'm forced to pay for currently.