Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go

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Anonymous wrote:"In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods."

WTH??? American cities have "war zone" equivalents and if you don't like it, stay out?

The problem is that people will do exactly that. There will be more “white flight” when crime is left unchecked. And then people will be called racist for wanting to leave those crime ridden areas!

Newsflash: nobody cares what color their neighbor’s skin is. We do care a lot about crime. If you make certain neighborhoods synonymous with high crime because you refuse to prosecute and make the disproportionate incarceration rates ‘worse’ then don’t complain when the expected result happens.

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It's about dehumanization. It's sociopathy. Incivility and violent crime share that common core and one can easily lead to the other.

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Anonymous wrote:DC culture these days is about victim blaming anytime a crime is brought up. A lot of the new arrivals are moving in based on the pre-pandemic glory days of DC when there was actually something enjoyable about the city.

I would argue that the “culture” such that I can see is actually people getting social credit for having “experiences” and as a result more and more people are turning ordinary city interactions into a story of their own victimhood.

Let’s be clear, crime is terrible and violent crime in particular undermines the social compact. There is too much crime and violent crime in DC. The people getting violently attacked is outrageous. However, what is also outrageous are these people competing for attention to me too these bad incidents. To piggy back on others misery to get attention and condolences from others for their own person sense of entitlement and victimhood.

The city absolutely needs to improve and halt this decline but also, absolutely no one should listen to these people whine.

People aren't whining to establish their own victimhood. They are shocked to find out that this supposedly fun, progressive city is reminiscent of the meth den rust belt cities they left. They also have to vent online anonymously because there is zero community support in DC for victims of crime, it's all about guessing the backstory of the criminal and throwing out some theories about how to get people to behave properly without arresting anyone.

I think what they are shocked to discover in DC is that black people can bother them without fear of state violence. Just because black people bother you does not mean that you are the victim of a crime.

Getting robbed, stabbed, beaten and killed makes one a victim of a crime.

None of those people are complaining on Reddit actual crime victims.

Uncivil behavior undermines the ability to build community but it is not a crime in the USA. The chief complaint from every single one of these people is that a black person has been uncivil to them without repercussions. And some are absolutely apoplectic that it has happened in front of police officers!

Violent crime is a big issue in DC. These people thinking that their share any commonality with actual crime victims is offensive.

Certainly the types of incivility described is not nice and has negative impacts on quality of life. If you are someone who cannot countenance a black person being uncivil to you then you may be more comfortable moving somewhere else and a lot of people have!

Ah, yet another progressive claiming POC don't commit sexual harassment, it's just incivility when they do it.

Street harassment is not against the law. I am not sure how this is not understood.

If someone harassed you on the street, that sucks. But it’s not a crime and you are not the equivalent to an actual violent crime victim.

In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods.

Thankfully there are lots of places one can live in DC proper where uncivil behavior is not the norm.

Encountering uncivil behavior does not make you a victim!

I’m not sure what to make of your point here. Seems like you are effectively saying that (a) uncivil behavior by black people undermines the ability of DC residents to build a cohesive community and (b) anyone who has a problem with either the lack of community or the things preventing the formation of community needs to just leave. Ordinarily, I would write you off as pretty severely racist. Weird thing is that I suspect you think what you said is somehow progressive or reflects positively on you.

PP here and since I’m POC I find it funny that you think I’m racist. It honestly fascinates me how people who live to use that term lack introspection.

I think my point is clear. Uncivil behavior sucks and is terrible but it’s not criminal and therefore peoples request for police enforcement against it is ridiculous and actually racist. Black people being rude to white people was the premise of a lot of lynching historically.

The idea that someone should be arrested/in jail because they were rude to you or making you uncomfortable or making you feel unsafe is ridiculous. Even if the things they are saying are sick and gross. There’s a distinction and difference in the law between illegal behavior and uncivil behavior.

You cannot legislate civility. Unfortunately, cities can only function if people agree to abide by mutually agreed unwritten rules. In this case people are refusing to abide by these rules. You will need to figure out for yourself how you want to deal with that. I personally deal with it by avoiding places like this.

The world does not exist to cater to you so I suggest you get over yourself and take yourself back to Reddit.

[Anonymous]

This local site is being trolled by R bots trying to drum up fear and anger toward current representatives. Just read the list of current thread titles. So obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:DC culture these days is about victim blaming anytime a crime is brought up. A lot of the new arrivals are moving in based on the pre-pandemic glory days of DC when there was actually something enjoyable about the city.

I would argue that the “culture” such that I can see is actually people getting social credit for having “experiences” and as a result more and more people are turning ordinary city interactions into a story of their own victimhood.

Let’s be clear, crime is terrible and violent crime in particular undermines the social compact. There is too much crime and violent crime in DC. The people getting violently attacked is outrageous. However, what is also outrageous are these people competing for attention to me too these bad incidents. To piggy back on others misery to get attention and condolences from others for their own person sense of entitlement and victimhood.

The city absolutely needs to improve and halt this decline but also, absolutely no one should listen to these people whine.

People aren't whining to establish their own victimhood. They are shocked to find out that this supposedly fun, progressive city is reminiscent of the meth den rust belt cities they left. They also have to vent online anonymously because there is zero community support in DC for victims of crime, it's all about guessing the backstory of the criminal and throwing out some theories about how to get people to behave properly without arresting anyone.

I think what they are shocked to discover in DC is that black people can bother them without fear of state violence. Just because black people bother you does not mean that you are the victim of a crime.

Getting robbed, stabbed, beaten and killed makes one a victim of a crime.

None of those people are complaining on Reddit actual crime victims.

Uncivil behavior undermines the ability to build community but it is not a crime in the USA. The chief complaint from every single one of these people is that a black person has been uncivil to them without repercussions. And some are absolutely apoplectic that it has happened in front of police officers!

Violent crime is a big issue in DC. These people thinking that their share any commonality with actual crime victims is offensive.

Certainly the types of incivility described is not nice and has negative impacts on quality of life. If you are someone who cannot countenance a black person being uncivil to you then you may be more comfortable moving somewhere else and a lot of people have!

Ah, yet another progressive claiming POC don't commit sexual harassment, it's just incivility when they do it.

Street harassment is not against the law. I am not sure how this is not understood.

If someone harassed you on the street, that sucks. But it’s not a crime and you are not the equivalent to an actual violent crime victim.

In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods.

Thankfully there are lots of places one can live in DC proper where uncivil behavior is not the norm.

Encountering uncivil behavior does not make you a victim!

I’m not sure what to make of your point here. Seems like you are effectively saying that (a) uncivil behavior by black people undermines the ability of DC residents to build a cohesive community and (b) anyone who has a problem with either the lack of community or the things preventing the formation of community needs to just leave. Ordinarily, I would write you off as pretty severely racist. Weird thing is that I suspect you think what you said is somehow progressive or reflects positively on you.

PP here and since I’m POC I find it funny that you think I’m racist. It honestly fascinates me how people who live to use that term lack introspection.

I think my point is clear. Uncivil behavior sucks and is terrible but it’s not criminal and therefore peoples request for police enforcement against it is ridiculous and actually racist. Black people being rude to white people was the premise of a lot of lynching historically.

The idea that someone should be arrested/in jail because they were rude to you or making you uncomfortable or making you feel unsafe is ridiculous. Even if the things they are saying are sick and gross. There’s a distinction and difference in the law between illegal behavior and uncivil behavior.

You cannot legislate civility. Unfortunately, cities can only function if people agree to abide by mutually agreed unwritten rules. In this case people are refusing to abide by these rules. You will need to figure out for yourself how you want to deal with that. I personally deal with it by avoiding places like this.

The world does not exist to cater to you so I suggest you get over yourself and take yourself back to Reddit.

Depends on what you mean by incivility. Threatening to kill or harm someone is against the law in most jurisdictions. Pursuing, stalking and persisting in harrassing someone could also lead to criminal charges. Really the only question is at what point and how do you stop that behavior rather than just continually allowing people to be subjected to it.

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Also, just because someone is a POC that does not at all mean they can't be uncivil and even racist - including to other POCs.

As examples, in my life, I've witnessed...
- UMC suburban blacks denigrating poor inner city blacks
- AA Blacks denigrating black immigrants
- Light skinned and dark skinned blacks denigrating each other
- Urban blacks denigrating rural blacks
...and in most cases these also involved invoking racist language and stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

Are liberals exacerbating racism by hyper focusing on and perpetuating identity politics to the point where increased Balkanization is occurring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, just because someone is a POC that does not at all mean they can't be uncivil and even racist - including to other POCs.

As examples, in my life, I've witnessed...
- UMC suburban blacks denigrating poor inner city blacks
- AA Blacks denigrating black immigrants
- Light skinned and dark skinned blacks denigrating each other
- Urban blacks denigrating rural blacks
...and in most cases these also involved invoking racist language and stereotypes.

This is incredible. White people are something else, abusing the term racism to the point that it’s lost all meaning.

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Anonymous wrote:DC culture these days is about victim blaming anytime a crime is brought up. A lot of the new arrivals are moving in based on the pre-pandemic glory days of DC when there was actually something enjoyable about the city.

I would argue that the “culture” such that I can see is actually people getting social credit for having “experiences” and as a result more and more people are turning ordinary city interactions into a story of their own victimhood.

Let’s be clear, crime is terrible and violent crime in particular undermines the social compact. There is too much crime and violent crime in DC. The people getting violently attacked is outrageous. However, what is also outrageous are these people competing for attention to me too these bad incidents. To piggy back on others misery to get attention and condolences from others for their own person sense of entitlement and victimhood.

The city absolutely needs to improve and halt this decline but also, absolutely no one should listen to these people whine.

People aren't whining to establish their own victimhood. They are shocked to find out that this supposedly fun, progressive city is reminiscent of the meth den rust belt cities they left. They also have to vent online anonymously because there is zero community support in DC for victims of crime, it's all about guessing the backstory of the criminal and throwing out some theories about how to get people to behave properly without arresting anyone.

I think what they are shocked to discover in DC is that black people can bother them without fear of state violence. Just because black people bother you does not mean that you are the victim of a crime.

Getting robbed, stabbed, beaten and killed makes one a victim of a crime.

None of those people are complaining on Reddit actual crime victims.

Uncivil behavior undermines the ability to build community but it is not a crime in the USA. The chief complaint from every single one of these people is that a black person has been uncivil to them without repercussions. And some are absolutely apoplectic that it has happened in front of police officers!

Violent crime is a big issue in DC. These people thinking that their share any commonality with actual crime victims is offensive.

Certainly the types of incivility described is not nice and has negative impacts on quality of life. If you are someone who cannot countenance a black person being uncivil to you then you may be more comfortable moving somewhere else and a lot of people have!

Ah, yet another progressive claiming POC don't commit sexual harassment, it's just incivility when they do it.

Street harassment is not against the law. I am not sure how this is not understood.

If someone harassed you on the street, that sucks. But it’s not a crime and you are not the equivalent to an actual violent crime victim.

In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods.

Thankfully there are lots of places one can live in DC proper where uncivil behavior is not the norm.

Encountering uncivil behavior does not make you a victim!

I’m not sure what to make of your point here. Seems like you are effectively saying that (a) uncivil behavior by black people undermines the ability of DC residents to build a cohesive community and (b) anyone who has a problem with either the lack of community or the things preventing the formation of community needs to just leave. Ordinarily, I would write you off as pretty severely racist. Weird thing is that I suspect you think what you said is somehow progressive or reflects positively on you.

PP here and since I’m POC I find it funny that you think I’m racist. It honestly fascinates me how people who live to use that term lack introspection.

I think my point is clear. Uncivil behavior sucks and is terrible but it’s not criminal and therefore peoples request for police enforcement against it is ridiculous and actually racist. Black people being rude to white people was the premise of a lot of lynching historically.

The idea that someone should be arrested/in jail because they were rude to you or making you uncomfortable or making you feel unsafe is ridiculous. Even if the things they are saying are sick and gross. There’s a distinction and difference in the law between illegal behavior and uncivil behavior.

You cannot legislate civility. Unfortunately, cities can only function if people agree to abide by mutually agreed unwritten rules. In this case people are refusing to abide by these rules. You will need to figure out for yourself how you want to deal with that. I personally deal with it by avoiding places like this.

The world does not exist to cater to you so I suggest you get over yourself and take yourself back to Reddit.

Depends on what you mean by incivility. Threatening to kill or harm someone is against the law in most jurisdictions. Pursuing, stalking and persisting in harrassing someone could also lead to criminal charges. Really the only question is at what point and how do you stop that behavior rather than just continually allowing people to be subjected to it.

Threats are per se illegal behavior. And as you point out, following behind someone while walking can be a crime if certain conditions are met but those conditions are narrow. For example, stalking is a defined crime under law that does not involve one time encounters. “Pursuing” or “following behind” someone is not a crime as it’s a vaguely defined and subjective action. You should ask upper class POC how many times a white people cross the street away from them for no reason. You want to criminalize people to assuage your fear. That’s something you need to deal with yourselves and you need to figure out for yourself what you’re going to do.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Here's the thing that the last 20 posts on this thread seem to have missed. We are not talking about "mere" street harassment or incivility. We are talking about a rise in violent crime - armed carjackings and ancillary child kidnappings, shootings/murder, etc. And the point of this thread is that our elected representative Charles Allen, who is in charge of the Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety for f's sake, is singlemindedly focused on coddling criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Here's the thing that the last 20 posts on this thread seem to have missed. We are not talking about "mere" street harassment or incivility. We are talking about a rise in violent crime - armed carjackings and ancillary child kidnappings, shootings/murder, etc. And the point of this thread is that our elected representative Charles Allen, who is in charge of the Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety for f's sake, is singlemindedly focused on coddling criminals.

I’m fully on board with this. The violent crime has got to stop and we should expect nothing less from a full commitment from our leaders towards that goal.

People who who distract from this goal and want to hijack it to use police powers to try and punish people for being uncivil to them undermine it.

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Anonymous wrote:DC culture these days is about victim blaming anytime a crime is brought up. A lot of the new arrivals are moving in based on the pre-pandemic glory days of DC when there was actually something enjoyable about the city.

I would argue that the “culture” such that I can see is actually people getting social credit for having “experiences” and as a result more and more people are turning ordinary city interactions into a story of their own victimhood.

Let’s be clear, crime is terrible and violent crime in particular undermines the social compact. There is too much crime and violent crime in DC. The people getting violently attacked is outrageous. However, what is also outrageous are these people competing for attention to me too these bad incidents. To piggy back on others misery to get attention and condolences from others for their own person sense of entitlement and victimhood.

The city absolutely needs to improve and halt this decline but also, absolutely no one should listen to these people whine.

People aren't whining to establish their own victimhood. They are shocked to find out that this supposedly fun, progressive city is reminiscent of the meth den rust belt cities they left. They also have to vent online anonymously because there is zero community support in DC for victims of crime, it's all about guessing the backstory of the criminal and throwing out some theories about how to get people to behave properly without arresting anyone.

I think what they are shocked to discover in DC is that black people can bother them without fear of state violence. Just because black people bother you does not mean that you are the victim of a crime.

Getting robbed, stabbed, beaten and killed makes one a victim of a crime.

None of those people are complaining on Reddit actual crime victims.

Uncivil behavior undermines the ability to build community but it is not a crime in the USA. The chief complaint from every single one of these people is that a black person has been uncivil to them without repercussions. And some are absolutely apoplectic that it has happened in front of police officers!

Violent crime is a big issue in DC. These people thinking that their share any commonality with actual crime victims is offensive.

Certainly the types of incivility described is not nice and has negative impacts on quality of life. If you are someone who cannot countenance a black person being uncivil to you then you may be more comfortable moving somewhere else and a lot of people have!

Ah, yet another progressive claiming POC don't commit sexual harassment, it's just incivility when they do it.

Street harassment is not against the law. I am not sure how this is not understood.

If someone harassed you on the street, that sucks. But it’s not a crime and you are not the equivalent to an actual violent crime victim.

In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods.

Thankfully there are lots of places one can live in DC proper where uncivil behavior is not the norm.

Encountering uncivil behavior does not make you a victim!

I’m not sure what to make of your point here. Seems like you are effectively saying that (a) uncivil behavior by black people undermines the ability of DC residents to build a cohesive community and (b) anyone who has a problem with either the lack of community or the things preventing the formation of community needs to just leave. Ordinarily, I would write you off as pretty severely racist. Weird thing is that I suspect you think what you said is somehow progressive or reflects positively on you.

PP here and since I’m POC I find it funny that you think I’m racist. It honestly fascinates me how people who live to use that term lack introspection.

I think my point is clear. Uncivil behavior sucks and is terrible but it’s not criminal and therefore peoples request for police enforcement against it is ridiculous and actually racist. Black people being rude to white people was the premise of a lot of lynching historically.

The idea that someone should be arrested/in jail because they were rude to you or making you uncomfortable or making you feel unsafe is ridiculous. Even if the things they are saying are sick and gross. There’s a distinction and difference in the law between illegal behavior and uncivil behavior.

You cannot legislate civility. Unfortunately, cities can only function if people agree to abide by mutually agreed unwritten rules. In this case people are refusing to abide by these rules. You will need to figure out for yourself how you want to deal with that. I personally deal with it by avoiding places like this.

The world does not exist to cater to you so I suggest you get over yourself and take yourself back to Reddit.

You talk about lacking introspection, but then fail to see that you are fundamentally pretty racist. You just get away with it because you bought into some BS theory about how minorities can’t be racist, and dumb white liberals give you a free pass.

[Anonymous]

There's a lot of uncivil behavior on the streets, too - road rage, aggressive drivers cutting each other off, etc. And worse, it makes people conditioned into their own bad behavior - for example I'm often tempted to not use my blinkers when changing lanes because nine times out of ten the person behind me in the lane I'm trying to get into will decide to accelerate into the space I'm trying to get into the second they see my blinker come on. Or the people who think they are special, when traffic is backed up, they drive up the shoulder and try to merge at the head of the line, or block traffic in the adjoining lane at the head of the line. Just entitled a-hole driving behavior of all kinds.

[Anonymous]

The PPs who keep whining about the lack of "civility" are missing the point. Many behaviors you see every day in DC are in fact a crime and/or illegal. Shooting drugs in public is a crime. Threatening other people can be a crime. Panhandling in the middle of a 6-lane road like North Capitol and obstructing traffic during rush hour is also illegal, even if not a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:DC culture these days is about victim blaming anytime a crime is brought up. A lot of the new arrivals are moving in based on the pre-pandemic glory days of DC when there was actually something enjoyable about the city.

I would argue that the “culture” such that I can see is actually people getting social credit for having “experiences” and as a result more and more people are turning ordinary city interactions into a story of their own victimhood.

Let’s be clear, crime is terrible and violent crime in particular undermines the social compact. There is too much crime and violent crime in DC. The people getting violently attacked is outrageous. However, what is also outrageous are these people competing for attention to me too these bad incidents. To piggy back on others misery to get attention and condolences from others for their own person sense of entitlement and victimhood.

The city absolutely needs to improve and halt this decline but also, absolutely no one should listen to these people whine.

People aren't whining to establish their own victimhood. They are shocked to find out that this supposedly fun, progressive city is reminiscent of the meth den rust belt cities they left. They also have to vent online anonymously because there is zero community support in DC for victims of crime, it's all about guessing the backstory of the criminal and throwing out some theories about how to get people to behave properly without arresting anyone.

I think what they are shocked to discover in DC is that black people can bother them without fear of state violence. Just because black people bother you does not mean that you are the victim of a crime.

Getting robbed, stabbed, beaten and killed makes one a victim of a crime.

None of those people are complaining on Reddit actual crime victims.

Uncivil behavior undermines the ability to build community but it is not a crime in the USA. The chief complaint from every single one of these people is that a black person has been uncivil to them without repercussions. And some are absolutely apoplectic that it has happened in front of police officers!

Violent crime is a big issue in DC. These people thinking that their share any commonality with actual crime victims is offensive.

Certainly the types of incivility described is not nice and has negative impacts on quality of life. If you are someone who cannot countenance a black person being uncivil to you then you may be more comfortable moving somewhere else and a lot of people have!

Ah, yet another progressive claiming POC don't commit sexual harassment, it's just incivility when they do it.

Street harassment is not against the law. I am not sure how this is not understood.

If someone harassed you on the street, that sucks. But it’s not a crime and you are not the equivalent to an actual violent crime victim.

In DC, uncivil behavior by black people in certain neighborhoods is very prevalent. If you don’t like it then don’t go to those neighborhoods. Similarly, in Philly uncivil behavior by white people in certain neighborhoods is also very prevalent and people that are wise also avoid those neighborhoods.

Thankfully there are lots of places one can live in DC proper where uncivil behavior is not the norm.

Encountering uncivil behavior does not make you a victim!

I’m not sure what to make of your point here. Seems like you are effectively saying that (a) uncivil behavior by black people undermines the ability of DC residents to build a cohesive community and (b) anyone who has a problem with either the lack of community or the things preventing the formation of community needs to just leave. Ordinarily, I would write you off as pretty severely racist. Weird thing is that I suspect you think what you said is somehow progressive or reflects positively on you.

PP here and since I’m POC I find it funny that you think I’m racist. It honestly fascinates me how people who live to use that term lack introspection.

I think my point is clear. Uncivil behavior sucks and is terrible but it’s not criminal and therefore peoples request for police enforcement against it is ridiculous and actually racist. Black people being rude to white people was the premise of a lot of lynching historically.

The idea that someone should be arrested/in jail because they were rude to you or making you uncomfortable or making you feel unsafe is ridiculous. Even if the things they are saying are sick and gross. There’s a distinction and difference in the law between illegal behavior and uncivil behavior.

You cannot legislate civility. Unfortunately, cities can only function if people agree to abide by mutually agreed unwritten rules. In this case people are refusing to abide by these rules. You will need to figure out for yourself how you want to deal with that. I personally deal with it by avoiding places like this.

The world does not exist to cater to you so I suggest you get over yourself and take yourself back to Reddit.

You talk about lacking introspection, but then fail to see that you are fundamentally pretty racist. You just get away with it because you bought into some BS theory about how minorities can’t be racist, and dumb white liberals give you a free pass.

You are sadly quite uneducated. I would suggest that you first buy a dictionary so that you understand the words that you are using and second I would suggest that instead of posting here anonymously you repeat your views on racism to friends, coworkers and acquaintances.

You are very offensive and you know it. I have treated you kindly but no more. Ta.