Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

Right because 19 year olds are the equivalent of 50 year old experienced adults and explorers.

Nobody said they were. They also aren’t children.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

Right because 19 year olds are the equivalent of 50 year old experienced adults and explorers.

Developmentally, they are considered adolescents by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Neat. They’re still adults.

And you people only listen to the AAP when their recommendations tell you what you want to hear.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

I guess? But OceanGate had enough confidence in it to tout it as a fail-safe measure in their documentation.

By “documentation, do you mean their marketing mumbo jumbo.

Remember, they chose not to subject their claims to the scrutiny of regulators (who certify most submersibles)

Yes, their marketing mumbo jumbo, and yes, I'm well aware they didn't subject their claims to scrutiny, but that doesn't mean they didn't conduct their own internal tests to an extent that gave Rush enough confidence to trust it with his life, which he did.

Here's an article from a trade publication about the sub when it was first launched, and these engineers didn't bat an eye at the hull health monitoring system or call its reliability into question. It's only after the implosion that everyone has become an expert at how terrible it is.
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/oceangate-ceo-pilots-carbon-fiber-submersible-in-4000-m-solo-dive

Holy cow. You have a lot of misplaced confidence. Ask any engineer if anything about this sounds right.

Oh, really? Why don't you tell me what I have confidence in? Do you think you're talking to re-incarnated Stockton Rush? Are you saying that any engineer will tell me that measuring acoustics is not a way to assess the health of a ship's hull?

No, I am sure that I am not talking to re-incarnated Rush. Because, while he was careless and arrogant, I don't think he was a stupid person.

Ooh, zinger! You really got me. Can't wait to hear your witty barbs in reaponse to the other 2 questions you didn't answer.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

Right because 19 year olds are the equivalent of 50 year old experienced adults and explorers.

Developmentally, they are considered adolescents by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Neat. They’re still adults.

And you people only listen to the AAP when their recommendations tell you what you want to hear.

+1

Comment that describes DCUM for the past two years.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

[PP]

np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

I guess? But OceanGate had enough confidence in it to tout it as a fail-safe measure in their documentation.

By “documentation, do you mean their marketing mumbo jumbo.

Remember, they chose not to subject their claims to the scrutiny of regulators (who certify most submersibles)

Yes, their marketing mumbo jumbo, and yes, I'm well aware they didn't subject their claims to scrutiny, but that doesn't mean they didn't conduct their own internal tests to an extent that gave Rush enough confidence to trust it with his life, which he did.

Here's an article from a trade publication about the sub when it was first launched, and these engineers didn't bat an eye at the hull health monitoring system or call its reliability into question. It's only after the implosion that everyone has become an expert at how terrible it is.
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/oceangate-ceo-pilots-carbon-fiber-submersible-in-4000-m-solo-dive

We know the bolded is not true. We know the submersible community was very concerned about it. Engineers did speak up.

Sorry, but the bolded is true. Where was the public concern raised? All we've seen are a couple strongly worded emails sent to him in private. By and large, other engineers stood by and did nothing, while publications reported on his deep dives in carbon fiber. Even Nargeolet, the Titanic veteran, jumped inside for a ride.

What did you expect them to do? Did you expect them to show up and try to physically restrain him? Nargeolet is addicted to Titanic.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

[PP]

np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

Right because 19 year olds are the equivalent of 50 year old experienced adults and explorers.

Developmentally, they are considered adolescents by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

This has to be one of the most stupid comments in this thread. It applies to nothing. You are obsessed with winning an argument you are not capable of winning.

It applies to science and expertise(vs online rambling)

And I am not even the person you have been fighting with for pages. 😂

Surprise. I am not the person you've been arguing with for pages.New person here struggling to understand your belief that no one spoke up before this event.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

[PP]

np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

I guess? But OceanGate had enough confidence in it to tout it as a fail-safe measure in their documentation.

By “documentation, do you mean their marketing mumbo jumbo.

Remember, they chose not to subject their claims to the scrutiny of regulators (who certify most submersibles)

Yes, their marketing mumbo jumbo, and yes, I'm well aware they didn't subject their claims to scrutiny, but that doesn't mean they didn't conduct their own internal tests to an extent that gave Rush enough confidence to trust it with his life, which he did.

Here's an article from a trade publication about the sub when it was first launched, and these engineers didn't bat an eye at the hull health monitoring system or call its reliability into question. It's only after the implosion that everyone has become an expert at how terrible it is.
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/oceangate-ceo-pilots-carbon-fiber-submersible-in-4000-m-solo-dive

Holy cow. You have a lot of misplaced confidence. Ask any engineer if anything about this sounds right.

Oh, really? Why don't you tell me what I have confidence in? Do you think you're talking to re-incarnated Stockton Rush? Are you saying that any engineer will tell me that measuring acoustics is not a way to assess the health of a ship's hull?

No, I am sure that I am not talking to re-incarnated Rush. Because, while he was careless and arrogant, I don't think he was a stupid person.

LOL. Nice!

[Anonymous]

Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

I assume remains most likely means bone, and that whatever it is was trapped inside / embedded in the bigger parts of the wreck they already brought up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

I assume remains most likely means bone, and that whatever it is was trapped inside / embedded in the bigger parts of the wreck they already brought up.

Remains means remains. Could be big remains, could be small remains. Not sure why you folks are arguing about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

It makes you wonder if we have retrieved anything before from the ocean floor. If only we had done this before, multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

It makes you wonder if we have retrieved anything before from the ocean floor. If only we had done this before, multiple times.

Have HUMAN REMAINS been retrieved from a vessels that was breached by water from a depth of 2 miles below the surface?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question re: recovering "remains"...


If "remains" means actual human body parts/tissue (not clothing/shoes/gear), how could they bring any remains up to the surface? Wouldn't they fall off or be washed off the wreckage as it is pulled through 2 MILES of water to get to the surface?

You did it. You cracked the code. It's all been faked like the moon landings.

STop being stupid (last PP). If you don't actually have any knowledge to answer the question... just keep your mouth shut. No one is suggesting a conspiracy. Just wondering how remains can be retrieved through two miles of water washing against the debris.

It makes you wonder if we have retrieved anything before from the ocean floor. If only we had done this before, multiple times.

Have HUMAN REMAINS been retrieved from a vessels that was breached by water from a depth of 2 miles below the surface?

Does it have to be specifically human or is any organic material acceptable?

http://schmidtocean.org/collection/4500-m-rov/