Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

A male voice said the aircraft was in sight and he was looking at the wrong aircraft.

Sounds like she was the pilot flying, he was the instructor and the one who called out that the traffic was in sight and requested visual sep.

Instructors bear just as much responsibility, if not more, as the pilot flying.

Makes me wonder where PP would assign the blame if the male and female pilots were reversed - I'm sure in that case they'd find some fault with the instructor.

BH ops people—-

Unless the instructor pilot was strapped in to both hand and both feet copilot controls whilst instructing and watching gauges, looking out the glass, visuals, could he really have taken over flight control quickly enough after her erroneous and fatal rapid ascent and veering over the river and into the direct landing path?

Hmm

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

We do not know it was her mistake alone - there were 3 people who were not paying attention to their surroundings, according to control tower communications. Let the investigation go through. Your assumptions and anger are a cover for something else.

That she supports the felon despite her protests. People want her name so they can tar and feather her reputation and tell her family what trash she is. Just wait.

By not releasing her name they are making it worse because people are already angry that this shouldn't have happened and now it looks like a cover up.

No, they are not. You’re just obsessed with the one piece of info and others are not.

Touch grass.

You can't prevent others from engaging in speculation. Hiding info makes it worse.

And 9 times out of 10 it IS worse.

Can’t tell if a lawyer is guiding the family to do this or they’re winging it here. Either way it’s not going to make anything better for anyone, including them.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

Then what do you need her name for? To curse it?

They can keep her name, I want to see her credentials and background.

+1. And last 5-10 years of reviews

Can you please post for everyone here the language you used when calling the pentagon to request the 5-10 years of reviews for the two white men on the flight so we can make sure that we’re all demanding the same thing? A script would be nice. 🙏🏻

It will be in the investigation.

Not sure they will make that all public. But it will factor in, as will any preferential treatment.

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I don’t have any trouble believing they want the funeral service over and finished before they have to deal with the onslaught that is surely coming. Even if she is 1000% at fault, what’s about to happen to her parents is not okay.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any trouble believing they want the funeral service over and finished before they have to deal with the onslaught that is surely coming. Even if she is 1000% at fault, what’s about to happen to her parents is not okay.

And ppl are too stupid to realize her family had nothing to do with anything that happened..
Yet they need a scapegoat because current administration models this.
MAGA - realize how awful this is.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any trouble believing they want the funeral service over and finished before they have to deal with the onslaught that is surely coming. Even if she is 1000% at fault, what’s about to happen to her parents is not okay.

She can't be at fault, because there were two pilots, and it was the other's job to watch closely and take over if there was any mistake or danger. Also, the voice on the audio clearly telling the ATC that he saw the plane was obviously male.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

Doing urban flying by a busy airport?

Guess those two must have really trusted the Pilot In Command….

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any trouble believing they want the funeral service over and finished before they have to deal with the onslaught that is surely coming. Even if she is 1000% at fault, what’s about to happen to her parents is not okay.

She can't be at fault, because there were two pilots, and it was the other's job to watch closely and take over if there was any mistake or danger. Also, the voice on the audio clearly telling the ATC that he saw the plane was obviously male.

Right which is why i think it was brave for the families to be public. They all share culpability but one is hiding information.

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

Then what do you need her name for? To curse it?

They can keep her name, I want to see her credentials and background.

I can tell you her credentials - she is a qualified Army Blackhawk pilot.

Are you also screaming skepticism over the qualification of the instructor pilot, who was probably guiding the training exercise (that's what instructors do) and was actually the one to claim visual contact & ask for separation authority? Oh, of course not. He's male, so of course he's qualified for his job.

Yes, yes I am. I want to see everything for all of them. See if they are equally qualified. See if their IQ scores, trainings, credentials, backgrounds were similar. Same for the ATC- what are qualifications of them compared to all the other ATC. If they weren’t as qualified who hired them? Who put them in that position? Rumors are they were understaffed. Why? Who let that slide?

They should also look at the experienced pilots that do everything right. How do they measure up in comparison? What is their background? Are they all similar? Were they all hired around the same time when credentials or training requirements were different? If so then why isn’t that the minimum background requirement, not the exception.

Dems scream DEI never happened, so show us the proof. Full transparency, then course correct before 80 more innocent people end up in the Potomac.

Don’t assume the ATC were understaffed.
It says staffing was “ not normal”
There are minimum staffing requirements in this type of job. Let’s say minimum staffing is 10 but there are normally 13 of them working . 13 is normal. 10 is still meeting the minimum staffing levels.
( I made up those numbers to show my point)
I’m a first responder and we have minimum staffing levels. If we’re at minimum it means we’re all still capable of providing a high level of service.

Agree.

ATC claims are a red herring here. Focus on the helo.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

Doing urban flying by a busy airport?

Guess those two must have really trusted the Pilot In Command….

Were they drunk? Distracted? Not participatory in the expedition? All 3 had an obligation to pay attention. If this was human error, then all 3 failed.

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

Then what do you need her name for? To curse it?

They can keep her name, I want to see her credentials and background.

I can tell you her credentials - she is a qualified Army Blackhawk pilot.

Are you also screaming skepticism over the qualification of the instructor pilot, who was probably guiding the training exercise (that's what instructors do) and was actually the one to claim visual contact & ask for separation authority? Oh, of course not. He's male, so of course he's qualified for his job.

Yes, yes I am. I want to see everything for all of them. See if they are equally qualified. See if their IQ scores, trainings, credentials, backgrounds were similar. Same for the ATC- what are qualifications of them compared to all the other ATC. If they weren’t as qualified who hired them? Who put them in that position? Rumors are they were understaffed. Why? Who let that slide?

They should also look at the experienced pilots that do everything right. How do they measure up in comparison? What is their background? Are they all similar? Were they all hired around the same time when credentials or training requirements were different? If so then why isn’t that the minimum background requirement, not the exception.

Dems scream DEI never happened, so show us the proof. Full transparency, then course correct before 80 more innocent people end up in the Potomac.

Don’t assume the ATC were understaffed.
It says staffing was “ not normal”
There are minimum staffing requirements in this type of job. Let’s say minimum staffing is 10 but there are normally 13 of them working . 13 is normal. 10 is still meeting the minimum staffing levels.
( I made up those numbers to show my point)
I’m a first responder and we have minimum staffing levels. If we’re at minimum it means we’re all still capable of providing a high level of service.

Agree.

ATC claims are a red herring here. Focus on the helo.

It was probably rushing Trump's Big Mac order to the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the view from inside of a helicopter at night
https://youtu.be/S4xnII-1nxY?si=x9QMk7oyeoPYEeIg

How in the world would they miss an airplane?

With this clarity?

Moron, you can't tell the difference between a sightseeing helicopter and a Blackhawk?

Do tell. Tell me the differences in the view please:

https://youtube.com/shorts/bAtL685FVtk?si=cqUzXlQJwaKWwAr4

Blackhawks have windows genius did you think they didn’t?

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

And their families bravely shared their names.

Bravely?

Pp means because the helicopter was at fault people are blaming the pilots.

Male or female. The name of the pilot that was the one in command of the helicopter is being withheld- and that is a pretty significant detail. People want to know who it was that flew the helicopter into a jet. Even if they said it was a man, people would want to know who was behind the controls. This is the case for any major airplane disaster.
Who was the pilot is a key detail

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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

22 years flying the H60 for the Navy.
1) sounds like this was a check flight at night. That adds stress for pilot and divides the crew as they are not all operating as a team (one is grading the other)
2) You graduate flight school with about 250 hours. 500 is NOT "experienced". Thats rather Green, and Navy safety center has TONS of data showing most dangerous period for pilots is between 500-1500 hours. Flown enough to feel comfortable but not enough to gain required experience to be ahead of more complex environments.
3) ^add to this we will find out how much night time AND goggle time the pilots had. Im betting total night time was less then 100 hours. Night is different. Everything moves faster and you can easily get behind aircraft.

Beyond that this is insane. We fly at 150 feet almost ALL the time over water around the carrier because it deconflicts us from jets overhead. Here they are clearly too high for the corridor and If I had to guess "check-ride-itis" (a term we use to define normally solid pilots screwing up) was a factor.

Thanks.

Our Air Force and service academy friends aren’t talking about this, plus their phones are monitored given their security clearances.

There are a lot of people being mum on this. Even my AFA sibling! And we’ve all lived and worked here in DC for years.

Probably a lot of new ramifications for domestic military exercises.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the view from inside of a helicopter at night
https://youtu.be/S4xnII-1nxY?si=x9QMk7oyeoPYEeIg

How in the world would they miss an airplane?

With this clarity?

Moron, you can't tell the difference between a sightseeing helicopter and a Blackhawk?

Do tell. Tell me the differences in the view please:

https://youtube.com/shorts/bAtL685FVtk?si=cqUzXlQJwaKWwAr4

Blackhawks have windows genius did you think they didn’t?

Well, given the circumstances of this accident can anyone be truly blamed for having this thought?