Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

And their families bravely shared their names.

Bravely?

Pp means because the helicopter was at fault people are blaming the pilots.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

And their families bravely shared their names.

FFS. Do you ghouls have anything better to do with your time? You know Elon is trying to take over the treasury? Maybe get your panties in a wad over that before he robs taxpayers blind and crashes the economy. Let the military handle it’s investigation for a few days longer.

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

Then what do you need her name for? To curse it?

They can keep her name, I want to see her credentials and background.

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Don’t forget skin color.

The pilots name would have already been leaked if she were a POC.

Exactly. Trump and Hegseth are in charge. They know the name. They agreed not to release it.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

And their families bravely shared their names.

Oh yes, the white men’s families are American heroes.

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Yesterday a person repeatedly spammed this thread with the name of the supposed Black Hawk pilot.

The named individual has since had to respond to media queries and post proof of life in an attempt to make the mob go away.

Are people seriously wondering why the pilot’s family doesn’t want to deal with this?

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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

22 years flying the H60 for the Navy.
1) sounds like this was a check flight at night. That adds stress for pilot and divides the crew as they are not all operating as a team (one is grading the other)
2) You graduate flight school with about 250 hours. 500 is NOT "experienced". Thats rather Green, and Navy safety center has TONS of data showing most dangerous period for pilots is between 500-1500 hours. Flown enough to feel comfortable but not enough to gain required experience to be ahead of more complex environments.
3) ^add to this we will find out how much night time AND goggle time the pilots had. Im betting total night time was less then 100 hours. Night is different. Everything moves faster and you can easily get behind aircraft.
Beyond that this is insane. We fly at 150 feet almost ALL the time over water around the carrier because it deconflicts us from jets overhead. Here they are clearly too high for the corridor and If I had to guess "check-ride-itis" (a term we use to define normally solid pilots screwing up) was a factor.

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It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a male who said that they had the plane in sight. I’m the PP whose ex was a BH pilot. Based on the stories ex shared with me, it’s possible that the other two pilots were just shooting the breeze instead of supervising.

And their families bravely shared their names.

Bravely?

Yes

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What branch of the military were the helicopter pilots?

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Anonymous wrote:What branch of the military were the helicopter pilots?

Army

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

What process and policy?

[Anonymous]

Here’s the view from inside of a helicopter at night
https://youtu.be/S4xnII-1nxY?si=x9QMk7oyeoPYEeIg

How in the world would they miss an airplane?

With this clarity?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the view from inside of a helicopter at night
https://youtu.be/S4xnII-1nxY?si=x9QMk7oyeoPYEeIg

How in the world would they miss an airplane?

With this clarity?

Not the view from inside a Black Hawk, with night goggles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the view from inside of a helicopter at night
https://youtu.be/S4xnII-1nxY?si=x9QMk7oyeoPYEeIg

How in the world would they miss an airplane?

With this clarity?

Moron, you can't tell the difference between a sightseeing helicopter and a Blackhawk?