Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

The bouncing back is my main concern as a resident. Even the school board called us the the fringe. And changing us just nibbled at the edges instead of fixing the whole problem. It’s true, the entire boundary process needed to be a huge blank slate and built from scratch. But it isn’t happening, And now it’s turning into a bunch of bandaids.

And just to note- moving our neighborhood out only eliminates 40 students So they don’t meet the goal of 100 AND they are adding the HV kids in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people didn't believe when I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students based on enrollment numbers at Floris, McNair, and Coates.

Scenarios A and B today confirm this projection.

Option A and B have Westfield net -303, while C and D have them net -238. They'll still be utilizing their trailers at that rate. Plus, it looks like they are losing the highest FARMS areas to the new school so seems like they'll come out ahead academically.

i think they meant almost 1000 zoned to westfield now would move out. not the net down after they move chantilly and centreville in

Yes, Westfield will lose 1,005 students under Scenarios A and B, and 940 students under Scenarios C and D (because not all Floris students are moving to KAA under C and D).

Westfield then takes a large chunk (more than 700) from Chantilly and Centreville, just as I expected.

Westfield is going to undergo a massive change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bouncing back is my main concern as a resident. Even the school board called us the the fringe. And changing us just nibbled at the edges instead of fixing the whole problem. It’s true, the entire boundary process needed to be a huge blank slate and built from scratch. But it isn’t happening, And now it’s turning into a bunch of bandaids.

And just to note- moving our neighborhood out only eliminates 40 students So they don’t meet the goal of 100 AND they are adding the HV kids in.

They aren't adding Hunt Valley kids to WSHS.

Did you mean Rolling Valley?

If you read earlier in thos thread, the people posting from the Lewis meeting last night wrote that Dr. Reid was shocked to learn that map 4 moved Lewis Rolling Valley kids into WSHS. It sounds like that particular change might not make it past Dr. Reid's final draft.

[Anonymous]

Yes sorry. Rolling valley

[Anonymous]

According to the maps posted:

Scenario A:
1792 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario B:
1726 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-370 at South Lakes, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario C:
2142 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -236)

Scenario D:
2068 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-362 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -238)

It looks like in every scenario, the same areas on the western edge of Chantilly and the northern/western edge of Centreville will be pulled in to fill up Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sangster should stop fighting rezoning and just focus on guaranteeing garndfathering for current Irving enrolled students to continue to WSHS.

6th and younger from that neighborhood should just attend LB with all of their friends and classmates from Sangster.

Agreed. Other WSHS neighborhoods are looking at moving to lower performing schools. These are champagne problems for Sangster neighborhoods who could move from one great HS to another great HS. They’d be wise to focus on grandfathering.

Moving this pocket causes Lake Braddock to be overcapacity 102-103%, and does nothing to help Lewis. It also won't do anything to help WS overcrowding in the long run if you move them out and Rolling Valley kids in. Region 4 Scenerio 4 does little to solve any long term problems, and ticks off a neighborhood who doesn't believe the split is an issue for their families and feels very connected to the WS community (because they are). BRAC and Thru let region 4 down.

I disagree.

The Springfield BRAC members did a great job following the BRAC instructions on focusing eliminating split feeders.

The Sangster neighborhood is getting moved to an equal or better school if you look at SAT scores, within their community and which they have equal or closer ties to than WSHS.

Of all the possible rezoning scenarios, the Springfield BRAC did the best possible outcome for WSHS and the Sangster neighborhood.

The Rolling Valley rezoning is Sandy Anderson's pet project, so you cannot blame the BRAC committee members for that one.


Even so, it did eliminate a split feeder. Every change in map 4 for WSHS eliminated the WSHS split feeders.

You can't get mad at the BRAC committee members for following their instructions to a T. You can't get mad at them for following instructions, just because other pyramid BRAC reps ignored the instructions. You can't get mad at them for Rolling Valley, that is Sandy Anderson's thing and one of the main reasons why this rezoning process started.

Be mad at the process and the school board. Don't be mad at the volunteer BRAC reps for following the process they were told to follow using the criteria they were given.

Uggg...there's that faulty split feeder argument again. The majority of split feeders in every other pyramid were not closed and parents across the county overwhelming did not see split feeders as an issue (including the families at Sangster). 'Fixing' Split feeders was ranked towards the bottom of the boundary survey and other region representatives actually represented their communities. Both the West Springfield reps were Hunter Valley parents and kept Hunt Valley at WS instead of moving it to an unpopulated school. This is less about Sangster and more about how mismanaged this whole process has been. I actual appreciate all the work the BRAC put into this, but they were always set up to fail. Region 4 Scenerio 4 is not the right one for WS or for the greater FCPS community.

If you surveyed all thr WSHS parents, you would most likely find that the vast majority view Sangster to Lake Braddock as the best possible option for WSHS, since Lake Braddock is such a fantastic school with so much overlap with the WSHS community. Sangster is also Lake Braddock's biggest feeder school, with those Sangster island 7th graders knowing far more Lake Braddock kids than Irving kids, just from their neighbors and classmates.

Of all of the rezoning options of moving kids out of WSHS, Sangster island to Lake Braddock make the most sense and provides the most continuity, best neighborhood and community connection, and the most consistent school experience. Any other rezoning out option, including the Keene Mill island off Huntsman to White Oaks and Lake Braddock, is far more disruptive to the students.

Sorry, complete hearsay. I have actually surveyed almost all the parents at Sangster zoned for WS and the vast, vast majority want to stay within their West Springfield Community. We explained and pleaded with our BRAC reps and the board that we preferred the split...its our community and neighbors. We were told that they were advocating for us. We had board members tell us to our faces that they agreed with us.
We've attended almost every meeting, followed all feedback channels. Again, this move will make Lake Braddock overpopulated, does not help Lewis, is unwelcomed from the neighborhood, and will do little to 'fix' overpopulation at WS in the long run. Many of my LB parent friends feel it's over crowded enough. If you don't live here, if this isn't your neighborhood...kindly don't speak for others.

By ‘helping Lewis’ does that mean you want your children to go to Lewis instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the maps posted:

Scenario A:
1792 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario B:
1726 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-370 at South Lakes, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario C:
2142 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -236)

Scenario D:
2068 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-362 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -238)

It looks like in every scenario, the same areas on the western edge of Chantilly and the northern/western edge of Centreville will be pulled in to fill up Westfield.

Yup. Looks like Seema Dixit will get her Greenbriar East “fix” by dumping some high density housing into Westfield. It’s not the GB East split feeder portion from Fairfax HS to Oakton HS that was originally planned, but Fairfax HS to a Chantilly HS instead. Her people will be happy.

[Anonymous]

So much time and money invested to move a few pawns around the chess board. Reid fiddles while FCPS burns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is so puzzling that that Sangster neighborhood is upset about being rezoned to... Lake Braddock of all places.

It’s so puzzling that others feel the need to tell neighborhoods how they should feel about being moved from a school community— one that they are well established in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the maps posted:

Scenario A:
1792 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario B:
1726 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-370 at South Lakes, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario C:
2142 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -236)

Scenario D:
2068 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-362 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -238)

It looks like in every scenario, the same areas on the western edge of Chantilly and the northern/western edge of Centreville will be pulled in to fill up Westfield.

Yup. Looks like Seema Dixit will get her Greenbriar East “fix” by dumping some high density housing into Westfield. It’s not the GB East split feeder portion from Fairfax HS to Oakton HS that was originally planned, but Fairfax HS to a Chantilly HS instead. Her people will be happy.

They are taking quite a big of high density housing out of Westfield, too.

[Anonymous]

All the options leave Centreville with under 2000 kids. Seems like that planned expansion to 3000 has to be cancelled now. Wonder if they’ll still try to expand it to 2500 to take Willow Springs at some point. They may want to build Centreville back up and let Fairfax HS be the school that eventually shrinks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You fight for what’s important to you. And I’ll fight what’s important to me and my family. If you don’t live in the neighborhood in question, respectfully stay in your lane.

The amount of people pretending to live in certain areas or attend schools is mind boggling. The motives and those posts are transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the maps posted:

Scenario A:
1792 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario B:
1726 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-691 at Chantilly, 0 in
-370 at South Lakes, 0 in
-1005 at Westfield, 702 in (net -303)

Scenario C:
2142 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-436 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -236)

Scenario D:
2068 at KAA
-362 at Centreville, 0 in
-698 at Chantilly, 0 in
-362 at Oakton, 0 in
-408 at South Lakes, 0 in
-940 at Westfield, 702 in (net -238)

It looks like in every scenario, the same areas on the western edge of Chantilly and the northern/western edge of Centreville will be pulled in to fill up Westfield.

Yup. Looks like Seema Dixit will get her Greenbriar East “fix” by dumping some high density housing into Westfield. It’s not the GB East split feeder portion from Fairfax HS to Oakton HS that was originally planned, but Fairfax HS to a Chantilly HS instead. Her people will be happy.

They are taking quite a big of high density housing out of Westfield, too.

They are adding in a bunch of low income housing from CVHS though. Not sure how that will shake out except CVHS will end up a much lower farms rate than it is now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sangster should stop fighting rezoning and just focus on guaranteeing garndfathering for current Irving enrolled students to continue to WSHS.

6th and younger from that neighborhood should just attend LB with all of their friends and classmates from Sangster.

Agreed. Other WSHS neighborhoods are looking at moving to lower performing schools. These are champagne problems for Sangster neighborhoods who could move from one great HS to another great HS. They’d be wise to focus on grandfathering.

Moving this pocket causes Lake Braddock to be overcapacity 102-103%, and does nothing to help Lewis. It also won't do anything to help WS overcrowding in the long run if you move them out and Rolling Valley kids in. Region 4 Scenerio 4 does little to solve any long term problems, and ticks off a neighborhood who doesn't believe the split is an issue for their families and feels very connected to the WS community (because they are). BRAC and Thru let region 4 down.

I disagree.

The Springfield BRAC members did a great job following the BRAC instructions on focusing eliminating split feeders.

The Sangster neighborhood is getting moved to an equal or better school if you look at SAT scores, within their community and which they have equal or closer ties to than WSHS.

Of all the possible rezoning scenarios, the Springfield BRAC did the best possible outcome for WSHS and the Sangster neighborhood.

The Rolling Valley rezoning is Sandy Anderson's pet project, so you cannot blame the BRAC committee members for that one.


Even so, it did eliminate a split feeder. Every change in map 4 for WSHS eliminated the WSHS split feeders.

You can't get mad at the BRAC committee members for following their instructions to a T. You can't get mad at them for following instructions, just because other pyramid BRAC reps ignored the instructions. You can't get mad at them for Rolling Valley, that is Sandy Anderson's thing and one of the main reasons why this rezoning process started.

Be mad at the process and the school board. Don't be mad at the volunteer BRAC reps for following the process they were told to follow using the criteria they were given.

Uggg...there's that faulty split feeder argument again. The majority of split feeders in every other pyramid were not closed and parents across the county overwhelming did not see split feeders as an issue (including the families at Sangster). 'Fixing' Split feeders was ranked towards the bottom of the boundary survey and other region representatives actually represented their communities. Both the West Springfield reps were Hunter Valley parents and kept Hunt Valley at WS instead of moving it to an unpopulated school. This is less about Sangster and more about how mismanaged this whole process has been. I actual appreciate all the work the BRAC put into this, but they were always set up to fail. Region 4 Scenerio 4 is not the right one for WS or for the greater FCPS community.

The process has been mismanaged but eliminating split feeders has always been a goal. That is a fact. Just because it wasn’t done at all schools across the county, and where it ranked on whatever priority list you point to doesn’t invalidate that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the options leave Centreville with under 2000 kids. Seems like that planned expansion to 3000 has to be cancelled now. Wonder if they’ll still try to expand it to 2500 to take Willow Springs at some point. They may want to build Centreville back up and let Fairfax HS be the school that eventually shrinks.

They’re already carving out bits of Fairfax HS and sending them to Chantilly and Oakton.