Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if I were an actress that came into this movie being told I was working with a well known male feminist who had a podcast and everything and then I got strong armed by that same guy trying to make me film extra sex and nudity when I didn’t want to and I was told that the way I had given birth four times was “not normal”, I would find it pretty hard to talk to and work with these people because they would not at all be matching up with who they represented themselves as being.

Exactly.

Also, if you read Baldoni's timeline, you realize how compressed it is and how these events pile up very quickly over the course of a few days. You can see how while each incident might, on its own, seem annoying but not rise to the level of harassment, builds on the next. By the time they are filming that dance scene on Day 6 of filming, there have been nearly daily issues over the previous six days with Baldoni crying in her trailer, Heath coming into the makeup trailer and looking at Lively topless, the "sexy" comment on her onesie costume, them springing nudity in the birth scene on her, the scene where Baldoni bites her lip repeatedly and calls for multiple takes so he can do it several times, Heath showing her the video. It is no wonder that Lively looks so annoyed to have to be so close to him in that scene, and is coming up with all these reasons why they'd just be talking and not kissing or intimate.

Also, because the filming of the actual sex scenes got postponed until, ultimately, after the hiatus, it meant that when they were coming back to filming in January 2024, they still had to film ALL of the sex stuff. Can you imagine having to film sex scenes with someone after all of this? I mean, I am not an actor and have trouble with the idea of filming a sex scene at all. But the idea of having to film one with someone I'd been through all this with sounds so miserable. What a nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:At least JB could have done a little research regarding various ways women can give birth. He seems so perverted and weird for showing a nude video of his wife to anyone. Like, we know Justin, we are well aware, of what giving birth looks like. And his wife? His wife was like sure! Yes! show them how it’s done Sweetie! So odd.

+1

It's especially weird that they personalize the birth scene in this particular movie in this way, expecting it to look just like their own wive's birth experiences.

The movie is about a woman who is abused by her husband and, when she gives birth to a daughter, realizes she cannot subject her own daughter to domestic violence so decides to end her relationship with her abusive husband. That is where the title "it ends with us" comes from.

So the birth scene is pivotal because it is linked to the character's realization that she cannot allow her own choices to perpetuate a cycle of violence that will then impact her daughter. The movie also has flashbacks to the character's childhood and realizing how her parents' relationship impacted her and her expectations.

It is very, very weird to me that Baldoni or Heath would, in the context of THIS movie, be hung up on whether or not Lively's character's childbirth experience looked like their own wives' childbirth experiences. Presumably (hopefully!) their wives had very different, and better, experiences because presumably (and hopefully) they were not coming to terms with the abusive nature of their marriages while giving birth to their kids.

I just... I cannot with this crap.

Perhaps you “cannot” because you are expending great cognitive efforts to make up stories about how something that was innocuous within the context it occurred actually constituted perverted sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It wasn’t JB’s wife, it was Heaths wife in video. Heath confirmed to BL (according to JB/Heath) that he had permission from his wife to show it (maybe she’s proud of it and is body positive and is happy he likes to show the video? Who knows!) but BL still declined to see it so she didn’t actually see anything. (Even if she thinks it is porn, supposedly they didn’t even get far enough in the “pressing play” part of the video to see anything!)

I still think it’s a big bait and switch of BL setting the tone for casual “ball-busting” banter that they mistook for friendship and a green light to just speak and share freely. They weren’t guarding themselves against what her narrow interpretation of SH might be because so much of how she conducted herself included profanities and sexual innuendo that they simply didn’t think any of this was an issue.

I agree with you 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

Again, according to Baldoni's own timeline, Jamey Heath showed Lively the video of his wife's nude childbirth the day AFTER they shot the birth scene.

He was not showing to to her in order to demonstrate, as a producer, how they wanted Lively to act or appear in the birth scene, because it had already been shot.

ok? So they were still talking about the scene they just filmed? It takes a massive filtering of the facts via a framework intent on interpreting everything as an insult to reach the conclusion that discussing the scene was sexual harassment.

Further, if you read Baldoni‘s suit, he clearly stated that they were having a casual conversation, Blake actually responded she’d love to see the video later. It was very friendly and cordial. It was only later when Blake was using this as leverage that she tried to call it p—n and act like it was being forced on her.

Here is the description from Baldoni's timeline:

May 23, 2023: During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video, stating to Heath that Lively had not seen one and was presumably interested in watching. Baldoni himself had seen the video prior and felt it was demonstrative of the spirit of his vision for the birthing scene. Heath agreed to share this deeply personal video and approached Lively with the video in hand. He proceeded to show her one second of it before Lively asked if Heath had permission to share the video, to which Heath confirmed that he did. Lively stated she would like to see the video but asked to watch it after finishing her lunch. Heath did not press the matter and moved on. (NOTE: Lively never did see the video beyond the one-second clip shown to her).

Baldoni "presumes" that Lively would be interested in watching the birth video, he doesn't ask her. Instead, he asks Heath to show it to her and Heath "approaches Lively with the video in hand" and apparently starts playing it before telling her what it is or asking if she wants to see it. She stops him and asks if he has permission from his wife to show it, demonstrating she considers the content of the video highly personal. The then says that she would watch it after lunch but apparently makes no effort to do so.

Dude, she was being polite. She thought it was super weird that Heath would walk up and just start showing her the video, she was concerned about his wife's privacy, and she had never expressed any interest in seeing the video. But she didn't want to say "omg weirdo please stop showing me nude footage of your wife and you while she gives birth, what is wrong with you?" So instead she says "ok, maybe later!" and then never talks about it again because that's what you do when your weird, creepy coworker wants to show you inappropriate videos at work. And then you go talk to HR.

Absolutely agree with this.
However that’s not SH.
If he had come back to her later withnbideo in hand and insisted on finding a time to show it to her and she again had to say no, then I get it.
But this was simply an (albeit presumptive) attempt to offer to show video met with a polite decline (disguised as a timing issue when it was actually her just making whatever excuse not to see it because she didn’t want to.)
So maybe they didn’t initially “read the room” on her actual objection.
But SH? No, I’m
Not buying that at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.

So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.

yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!

Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.

So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.

yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!

Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.

Not it’s really not.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if I were an actress that came into this movie being told I was working with a well known male feminist who had a podcast and everything and then I got strong armed by that same guy trying to make me film extra sex and nudity when I didn’t want to and I was told that the way I had given birth four times was “not normal”, I would find it pretty hard to talk to and work with these people because they would not at all be matching up with who they represented themselves as being.

Exactly.

Also, if you read Baldoni's timeline, you realize how compressed it is and how these events pile up very quickly over the course of a few days. You can see how while each incident might, on its own, seem annoying but not rise to the level of harassment, builds on the next. By the time they are filming that dance scene on Day 6 of filming, there have been nearly daily issues over the previous six days with Baldoni crying in her trailer, Heath coming into the makeup trailer and looking at Lively topless, the "sexy" comment on her onesie costume, them springing nudity in the birth scene on her, the scene where Baldoni bites her lip repeatedly and calls for multiple takes so he can do it several times, Heath showing her the video. It is no wonder that Lively looks so annoyed to have to be so close to him in that scene, and is coming up with all these reasons why they'd just be talking and not kissing or intimate.

Also, because the filming of the actual sex scenes got postponed until, ultimately, after the hiatus, it meant that when they were coming back to filming in January 2024, they still had to film ALL of the sex stuff. Can you imagine having to film sex scenes with someone after all of this? I mean, I am not an actor and have trouble with the idea of filming a sex scene at all. But the idea of having to film one with someone I'd been through all this with sounds so miserable. What a nightmare.

Yeah, it’s all gross and unprofessional. RR texting that he’ll “have your line producer's face tattooed to my perineum if he/she/they can figure out how to start two weeks earlier.” BL texting “If you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.”

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Just because Blake gave birth a few times doesn’t mean she did a great job acting in the birthing scene. Seems pretty apparent they didn’t think the scene came out well and were trying to get a better performance out of her. Which is completely believable because she is only an ok actress.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

Again, according to Baldoni's own timeline, Jamey Heath showed Lively the video of his wife's nude childbirth the day AFTER they shot the birth scene.

He was not showing to to her in order to demonstrate, as a producer, how they wanted Lively to act or appear in the birth scene, because it had already been shot.

ok? So they were still talking about the scene they just filmed? It takes a massive filtering of the facts via a framework intent on interpreting everything as an insult to reach the conclusion that discussing the scene was sexual harassment.

What professional reason did Heath have for trying to show the video to Lively if she'd already shot the birth scene?

What other appropriate reason would someone have for showing a video in which they and their wife appear nude? I've been working for 30+ years including in creative, nontraditional workplaces, and I've never shown anyway photos or video of myself or my spouse nude. It has simply never come up and I would assume doing so would not be appropriate in a work context.

But Blake twisted everything as we now know. They were casually talking about the scene as I just mentioned in a previous post and it was cordial and Blake actually showed interest in seeing the video. Leader she completely mis characterizes this.

She has a pattern of doing this. In her initial complaint, it was as if they were constantly asking her to do nude scenes that were out of the script with no intimacy coordinator, only to find out later this absolutely was not true, and she was the one that blew off meetings with the intimacy coordinator. Justin tried to share notes from the meeting with the intimacy coordinator. She completely mischaracterizes this as inappropriate conversations when we now know it was not - he was doing his job.

She continually does this. People bursting into her trailers at all hours while she was naked, only to find out she had invited the head producer into her trailer with three other female employees of hers were there while she was breast-feeding and all of a sudden it’s every man on this set, constantly and uncontrollably trying to get glimpses of a nude Blake lively.

Nope, reread. Baldoni and Heath were talking about it, Lively was not part of that discussion. Then Baldoni tells Heath he should show Lively the video of the birth and Heath approaches Lively and immediately starts showing her the video.

The timeline does this weird trick where it implies that Lively is part of the conversation Baldoni and Heath are having, but she wasn't. It says "During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video..." That makes it sound like Baldoni and Lively were having a conversation, but they weren't. As the rest of the paragraph makes clear, they mean as part of the broader "creative discussion" about the birth scene (meaning the argument over what Lively would wear in the birth scene that has already been shot). Because then with this directive from Baldoni to show Lively the video, Heath then "approaches" here. So she wasn't there.

This is even weirder! Why are Baldoni and Heath sitting around discussion whether or not Lively should watch Heath's wife's birth video? WTF?

Why is Blake sending Justin texts in the middle of the night saying her love language is ball busting, and when he gets to know her better, he willfind it yummy. Completely inappropriate text.

Why is she joking about suppositories with him? Why is she inviting him into her trailer run lines while she’s pumping?

Why did she get two female ADs fired? Why is she OK with letting her husband ask the director if they can move the shoot up two weeks so they could be with their family with little regard to justin or any of the cast and crew’s time with their family?

Why did she claim there was no intimacy coordinator when there was one? Why did she say she was naked in the birthing scene when she in fact was wearing black briefs? Wi

Why did she completely mischaracterize the scene where she thought there was no audio in the fact there was audio and now she looks stupid?

Why if all of this was so important to her did she never return her nudity rider? Why didn’t she ever sign her employment agreement but demand that she be paid without a signed agreement?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.

So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.

yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!

Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.

Not it’s really not.

Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

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Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.

So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.

yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!

Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.

But I thought Baldoni wanted to make a movie from "the female gaze." Not what "dads" thing birth looks like but what it looks and feels like to women, like the central character of the movie.

Also, since Lively's character gives birth in a hospital, why would it be important for Lively's performance or character development for her to watch a video of a water birth at home? You are right they are very different so it's really entirely unclear why on earth Baldoni or Heath thought it would be helpful in any way for Lively to see the video. Especially after she'd already shot the birth scene.

It's almost like these two middle aged men are weirdly obsessed with childbirth and were imposing their beliefs about what is "normal" and "natural" in childbirth on their female colleague.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

Again, according to Baldoni's own timeline, Jamey Heath showed Lively the video of his wife's nude childbirth the day AFTER they shot the birth scene.

He was not showing to to her in order to demonstrate, as a producer, how they wanted Lively to act or appear in the birth scene, because it had already been shot.

ok? So they were still talking about the scene they just filmed? It takes a massive filtering of the facts via a framework intent on interpreting everything as an insult to reach the conclusion that discussing the scene was sexual harassment.

What professional reason did Heath have for trying to show the video to Lively if she'd already shot the birth scene?

What other appropriate reason would someone have for showing a video in which they and their wife appear nude? I've been working for 30+ years including in creative, nontraditional workplaces, and I've never shown anyway photos or video of myself or my spouse nude. It has simply never come up and I would assume doing so would not be appropriate in a work context.

But Blake twisted everything as we now know. They were casually talking about the scene as I just mentioned in a previous post and it was cordial and Blake actually showed interest in seeing the video. Leader she completely mis characterizes this.

She has a pattern of doing this. In her initial complaint, it was as if they were constantly asking her to do nude scenes that were out of the script with no intimacy coordinator, only to find out later this absolutely was not true, and she was the one that blew off meetings with the intimacy coordinator. Justin tried to share notes from the meeting with the intimacy coordinator. She completely mischaracterizes this as inappropriate conversations when we now know it was not - he was doing his job.

She continually does this. People bursting into her trailers at all hours while she was naked, only to find out she had invited the head producer into her trailer with three other female employees of hers were there while she was breast-feeding and all of a sudden it’s every man on this set, constantly and uncontrollably trying to get glimpses of a nude Blake lively.

Nope, reread. Baldoni and Heath were talking about it, Lively was not part of that discussion. Then Baldoni tells Heath he should show Lively the video of the birth and Heath approaches Lively and immediately starts showing her the video.

The timeline does this weird trick where it implies that Lively is part of the conversation Baldoni and Heath are having, but she wasn't. It says "During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video..." That makes it sound like Baldoni and Lively were having a conversation, but they weren't. As the rest of the paragraph makes clear, they mean as part of the broader "creative discussion" about the birth scene (meaning the argument over what Lively would wear in the birth scene that has already been shot). Because then with this directive from Baldoni to show Lively the video, Heath then "approaches" here. So she wasn't there.

This is even weirder! Why are Baldoni and Heath sitting around discussion whether or not Lively should watch Heath's wife's birth video? WTF?

Why is Blake sending Justin texts in the middle of the night saying her love language is ball busting, and when he gets to know her better, he willfind it yummy. Completely inappropriate text.

Why is she joking about suppositories with him? Why is she inviting him into her trailer run lines while she’s pumping?

Why did she get two female ADs fired? Why is she OK with letting her husband ask the director if they can move the shoot up two weeks so they could be with their family with little regard to justin or any of the cast and crew’s time with their family?

Why did she claim there was no intimacy coordinator when there was one? Why did she say she was naked in the birthing scene when she in fact was wearing black briefs? Wi

Why did she completely mischaracterize the scene where she thought there was no audio in the fact there was audio and now she looks stupid?

Why if all of this was so important to her did she never return her nudity rider? Why didn’t she ever sign her employment agreement but demand that she be paid without a signed agreement?

Such great questions that she won’t answer.

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Can we also ask why Ryan Reynolds was texting Justin Baldoni his perineum?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.

I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.

Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.

Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.

The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.

He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?

If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.

It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.

I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.

She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.

Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.

This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.

+1 and will add:

Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.

And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.

Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.

Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.

Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.

And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.

In fact she was fully dressed.

Yep.

I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.

Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.

Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.

She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?

+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!

Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.

This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.

But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.

It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.

I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.

A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?

I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?

It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.

So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.

yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!

Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.

Not it’s really not.

Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?

I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.

The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.