Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.
A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?
I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?
It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.
So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.
yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!
Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.
Not it’s really not.
Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?
I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.
The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.
Yes it’s TOTALLY the WRONG when a director of a movie that … has a pivotal childbirth scene … has an artistic opinion about what that scene should look like.
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.
A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?
I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?
It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.
So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.
yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!
Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.
Not it’s really not.
Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?
I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.
The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.
Yes it’s TOTALLY the WRONG when a director of a movie that … has a pivotal childbirth scene … has an artistic opinion about what that scene should look like.
Yes it's TOTALLY GREAT when a male director of a movie that ... has a pivotal childbirth scene ... tells the female lead who has given birth 4x that the way she (and millions of other women) gave birth is "not normal" and that instead she should do it naked and wet with exposed breasts in a tub in order to "simulate full nudity."
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.
A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?
I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?
It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.
So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.
yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!
Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.
Not it’s really not.
Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?
I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.
The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.
It is their job to direct her and tell her how they want the scene. Blake lively is not giving birth. Her character Lily is giving birth and no one gives a crap about Blake’s lived experience.
If she wants to share her wisdom on childbirth, she is free to launch a podcast so she can have a fourth failed business venture under her belt.
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
Again, according to Baldoni's own timeline, Jamey Heath showed Lively the video of his wife's nude childbirth the day AFTER they shot the birth scene.
He was not showing to to her in order to demonstrate, as a producer, how they wanted Lively to act or appear in the birth scene, because it had already been shot.
ok? So they were still talking about the scene they just filmed? It takes a massive filtering of the facts via a framework intent on interpreting everything as an insult to reach the conclusion that discussing the scene was sexual harassment.
What professional reason did Heath have for trying to show the video to Lively if she'd already shot the birth scene?
What other appropriate reason would someone have for showing a video in which they and their wife appear nude? I've been working for 30+ years including in creative, nontraditional workplaces, and I've never shown anyway photos or video of myself or my spouse nude. It has simply never come up and I would assume doing so would not be appropriate in a work context.
But Blake twisted everything as we now know. They were casually talking about the scene as I just mentioned in a previous post and it was cordial and Blake actually showed interest in seeing the video. Leader she completely mis characterizes this.
She has a pattern of doing this. In her initial complaint, it was as if they were constantly asking her to do nude scenes that were out of the script with no intimacy coordinator, only to find out later this absolutely was not true, and she was the one that blew off meetings with the intimacy coordinator. Justin tried to share notes from the meeting with the intimacy coordinator. She completely mischaracterizes this as inappropriate conversations when we now know it was not - he was doing his job.
She continually does this. People bursting into her trailers at all hours while she was naked, only to find out she had invited the head producer into her trailer with three other female employees of hers were there while she was breast-feeding and all of a sudden it’s every man on this set, constantly and uncontrollably trying to get glimpses of a nude Blake lively.
Nope, reread. Baldoni and Heath were talking about it, Lively was not part of that discussion. Then Baldoni tells Heath he should show Lively the video of the birth and Heath approaches Lively and immediately starts showing her the video.
The timeline does this weird trick where it implies that Lively is part of the conversation Baldoni and Heath are having, but she wasn't. It says "During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video..." That makes it sound like Baldoni and Lively were having a conversation, but they weren't. As the rest of the paragraph makes clear, they mean as part of the broader "creative discussion" about the birth scene (meaning the argument over what Lively would wear in the birth scene that has already been shot). Because then with this directive from Baldoni to show Lively the video, Heath then "approaches" here. So she wasn't there.
This is even weirder! Why are Baldoni and Heath sitting around discussion whether or not Lively should watch Heath's wife's birth video? WTF?
Why is Blake sending Justin texts in the middle of the night saying her love language is ball busting, and when he gets to know her better, he willfind it yummy. Completely inappropriate text.
Why is she joking about suppositories with him? Why is she inviting him into her trailer run lines while she’s pumping?
Why did she get two female ADs fired? Why is she OK with letting her husband ask the director if they can move the shoot up two weeks so they could be with their family with little regard to justin or any of the cast and crew’s time with their family?
Why did she claim there was no intimacy coordinator when there was one? Why did she say she was naked in the birthing scene when she in fact was wearing black briefs? Wi
Why did she completely mischaracterize the scene where she thought there was no audio in the fact there was audio and now she looks stupid?
Why if all of this was so important to her did she never return her nudity rider? Why didn’t she ever sign her employment agreement but demand that she be paid without a signed agreement?
Such great questions that she won’t answer.
What do you mean by "she won't answer"? I actually think she will answer all of these questions. The litigation just got started and she is choosing to pursue resolution through the court, which means her "answer" will come in the form of legal filings, testimony, and other formal proceedings.
Did you expect her to do an AMA for you on Reddit to resolve this? Grow up.
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.
A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?
I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?
It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.
So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.
yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!
Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.
Not it’s really not.
Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?
I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.
The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.
It is their job to direct her and tell her how they want the scene. Blake lively is not giving birth. Her character Lily is giving birth and no one gives a crap about Blake’s lived experience.
If she wants to share her wisdom on childbirth, she is free to launch a podcast so she can have a fourth failed business venture under her belt.
It is their job to get actors on board with their vision for the scene. Filmmaking is collaborative whether you like that or not. Unless Justin Baldoni wanted to make a movie by himself in which he played all the roles, including that of Lilly Bloom, then his actual job is communicate his vision to actors, costumers, set designers, cinematographers, cameramen, sound engineers, etc. and get all those people to work together to create the movie.
If his attitude was actually that "no one gives a crap" about his lead actress's experience giving birth, regarding a scene in which the character she is playing is giving birth (something, let's all be clear, Justin Baldoni has never and will never do), then I can see why he did such a piss poor job directing this movie and why Sony was so grateful to Lively for stepping in to not only ensure the finished product was something they could distribute and market, but worked tirelessly to promote it and get audiences into the theater to see it.
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why he asked about the weight. If you have a back injury, a few pounds either way isn't going to change lifting someone up. He knew she was post partum and they could estimate her weight from looking at her.
I think he asked more due to his body dysmorphia and issues and wanting to know her exact weight.
Agree with this. He definitely wasn't trying to "fat shame" her. However, I think this is a good example of where he is tone deaf and handles things poorly, and hit backfires HUGELY because Lively is highly reactive.
Asking the trainer what Lively's weight was... that was just stupid. Like unacceptably stupid. Again, I don't think he was trying to harass her or shame her or anything. I just think he was being an idiot and not getting what a radioactive violation of her privacy that would be especially with her just coming back from having a baby and clearly being in a sensitive place regarding her weight.
The stuff about him recommending a "weight loss specialist" is silly and I don't agree with her at all that that's what he was doing. But I also thin it all links back to him doing this dumb thing and asking her trainer for her weight.
He and Heath both do stuff like this throughout the production -- just idiotic transgressions that I truly don't believe were intentionally harassing but even just taken in isolation, I'm like "what? who does that?" Telling a mother of four what is normal during childbirth? Walking in on a woman who is topless in a trailer (even if you think she might be "cool" with it, this is just a dumb thing to do and someone with more sense would be like "oh excuse me I'll wait outside")? Talking about porn and asking lots of questions about porn (yes, even in the context of the movie -- this is a hot button topic and especially when you are talking to someone you know offends easily)?
If there was a cause of action that was "accidental harassment via stupidity and lack of self-awareness," I think this two would be guilty of it.
It really bothers me when people object to Jamie and Justin talking about the childbirth scene with Blake because she’s had four babies. Literally, the director‘s job is to lay out a vision for what he wants the childbirth scene to be in this movie. who gives a flying F if Blake has had 10 babies, he’s not coaching Blake through labor, he is trying to lay out a vision for a scene in his movie.
I am sure many actresses have had sex scenes in a movie that were not like the way they have sex in real life. They have gotten married in movies and shot wedding scenes that were not like their wedding in real life. And they have given birth in movie scenes in ways that were not like the way they gave birth in real life.
She is getting paid to act out a childbirth scene and he is the director of a movie. It was completely appropriate for them to have that discussion.
Sure he’s the director, but manspaining to a woman who has given birth four times that all women give birth naked in a tub because that’s how his wife did it — and that all women climax at the same time as their man during sex because that’s what his wife does — seems pretty tone deaf to me. If Justin needed this story to be that specific and oblivious to the big name actress (I know! But compared to Baldoni, Lively is the bigger name and box office draw here) he had actually cast, he should have cast his own wife as Lily instead.
This weird insistence on “this is how women experience this” is off putting. Some directors are brilliant and can get away with mistreating or being rude to the talent, but Baldoni was not in that space and in fact held himself out as someone who would be a partner not a dictator. So his insistence that “women be like this” comes off badly. It speaks to what some people in the thread have said that his feminism seemed performative because he would say one thing but then act differently.
+1 and will add:
Baldoni and Wayfarer made a huge deal about wanting to tell this particular story through "the female gaze." And Baldoni and Heath both have built professional reputations on the idea that they are men who *listen* to the women in their lives, who put aside toxic masculinity in order to be allies and partners. That is the context of this movie.
And then Baldoni and Heath told a woman who has given birth to four children that it is not "normal" to wear a hospital gown during birth (I have given birth and I wore a hospital gown) and that it is "weird" not to want to watch someone else's birth video.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to want to make a movie that tells the story from a female perspective and then dismiss female perspectives when they challenge some of the creative choices you are making in that movie. And further, from an employment perspective, you can't get an actress to sign onto a movie by explicitly telling her she'll be a collaborator in making the movie and that you are interested in and open to her ideas and input, and then shame her when she attempts to collaborate and share her ideas.
Or you can, but it doesn't make you a "male feminist" and it doesn't make you a good guy.
Did JB and Heath in fact, tell BL that women don’t wear gowns during childbirth? Is that verified? If so, that is so obviously wrong and disgusting on their part. However it doesn’t equal SH. I would have just disagreed with them and schooled these men that women do wear gowns or whatever they want during childbirth and if they want a totally naked actress pretending to give birth I am not the right actress for this porn film.
Lively alleged it in her complaint and Baldoni's lawsuit doesn't address it at all. So not "verified" but also not contradicted.
And I mean, I think what you describe is pretty much what Lively did, which is why she was not fully nude in the scene. And for standing up for herself and refusing to do unscripted nudity, she was hit with a PR campaign calling her hard to work with and accused of trying to "take over" the movie. Hmmm.
In fact she was fully dressed.
Yep.
I just rewatched this scene on YouTube and I wouldn’t describe her as fully dressed. She was not naked in a tub though. But she’s wearing a hospital gown that’s partly open at the top, her belly is exposed, and she is shot to appear naked from the waist down though you only see legs, torso, and stomach. The way it is shot she must have on one of those nude underwear things because the fake doctor is right up in her personal area. I would describe this as partially nude but ymmv.
Her belly was covered with a pregnancy suit. You do realize that she wasn’t pregnant, right? Jesus.
Sure, so her “belly” is not “her belly.” Pretty sure her naked legs are still hers, and that there is very little between the doctor and her personal area. I would never in one million years call this “fully dressed” but maybe you and Jesus would see this differently.
She is being paid mega bucks to wear a pregnancy suit and willingly pretend to be pregnant in a film, what part was BL confused about?
+1. And a film in which the childbirth scene is the pivotal part of the entire movie. It wasn’t like it was a minor element! It’s the entire plot!
Doesn’t mean she has to do it naked in a tub. Sorry not sorry.
This is why you have no credibility. She didn’t film it naked in a tub.
But that’s how Baldoni wanted to do it (with a fake belly but exposed breasts) and that’s what she objected to. That by itself isn’t sexual harassment but you can also prove SH by a pattern of behavior, which is what Lively is alleging in her complaint — not just one single incident of assault which is what some people experience.
It’s not sexual harassment to discuss how to film a childbirth scene and for the director to have an opinion on it when it is a pivotal scene in the plot.
I totally agree with you. This was a major part of the movie.
A major part of the movie that had already been shot. Why were they still talking about it? Did they want to go back and shoot it again, this time with her nude?
I mean, BL was well aware of what giving birth looks like as she has 4 kids. This does seem quite perverted and totally unnecessary to show your own wife giving birth nude. BL did not need to see this, no one should be viewing this. It’s gross, unprofessional and bizarre. JB’s wife should be livid. What weirdos. Does this point to SH? Not sure…I am also wondering now, did JB’s wife consent to this personal birth video being shown off as a gold standard of birthing?
It was a video of heath’s wife and she did consent.
So, right at that moment when he whipped out his gold standard birthing video, I would have made it very clear that I was more of a childbirth expert than any male involved in this conversation and I really do not want to see his naked wife ever.
yes this is exactly like Joe in Accounting trying to show you the sex tape he made with his wife!!!
Meanwhile - dads probably actually are more expert in what birth “looks like” because they are the ones actually watching. And it sounds like they were trying to discuss what in fact is a very different kind of birth (unmedicated home birth) vs a hospital birth.
Not it’s really not.
Uh I think they were being sarcastic, no?
I don’t think they were being sarcastic. And as an MD who regularly watches Dads “watching” their wives gives birth I will point out that half the time they miss it because we make them sit down when they start looking woozy.
The two of them approaching a mom who has given birth multiple times with a “how to” labor vid of one of their wives is vomitous. There’s really nothing men won’t try to own.
It is their job to direct her and tell her how they want the scene. Blake lively is not giving birth. Her character Lily is giving birth and no one gives a crap about Blake’s lived experience.
If she wants to share her wisdom on childbirth, she is free to launch a podcast so she can have a fourth failed business venture under her belt.
I didn’t realize he officiated Gina Rodriguez’s wedding. It’s just hard to believe he just all of a sudden turned into some terrible creep after keeping it together for 5 seasons of Jane the Virgin. Still trying to keep an open mind, but it’s challenging.
Okay I went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but here’s a Q&A with Justin about his experience directing an episode of Jane the Virgin (where Xo grapples with her breast cancer diagnosis). Interestingly, he talks about directing a scene involving nudity and being an actor/director.
Anonymous wrote:Okay I went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but here’s a Q&A with Justin about his experience directing an episode of Jane the Virgin (where Xo grapples with her breast cancer diagnosis). Interestingly, he talks about directing a scene involving nudity and being an actor/director.
Interesting. He seems like one of these sort of overly feeling, "positive vibes" and somewhat overly self-important creative types so common in LA, which is what I get from his texts from this lawsuit too. But not a sexual harasser, if anything maybe a bit too weak and tuned into creating a certain "energy" on set with other actors. Which I guess, worked until it didn't? The actress who played young Lily gushes about him and thanks him for creating such a wonderful environment on set for one of her first jobs. I agree with PPs who said he is kind of naive and was a pretty easy mark for the more cynical. FWIW I find this personality type VERY ANNOYING (I'm more cynical), but he does seem to have a track history of being particularly accommodating as a director and I can easily see how someone who approaches his job like that could be absolutely steamrolled.
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