APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

Yes, because sacrificing a well-utilized community center in SA so NA can keep their under-enrolled school makes a TON of sense.

And I know you hate Zumba, but Fairlington CC also houses a preschool and tons of classes that are used by residents of all ages.

Give it a rest.

And Amazon? You probably hate them too, right? Our kids don’t need technology! Let’s drive them to a 20-year old elementary school 30 mins away instead! That makes more sense!

And Syphax is good for our administrators but not our kids. Ewww.

Do you work for APS? Your thinking is about as deep as theirs appears to be.

We can do so much better than this.

The thing about NES: It’s already set up as an elementary school, which saves tons of money.

Fairlington and Amazon are asinine suggestions. I have no idea about Syphax, but we all know that’s a non-starter anyway.

I’m sorry. There’s still time for you to move though.

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Here’s APS’s dirty little secret—THEY DON’T ACTUALLY NEED A SWING SPACE IN 2026! Write them. Ask them. Nobody thinks that’s going to happen. They won’t possibly get their shit together by then. Even when they get their bond, they’re not going to throw $40 million into one school. They’re going to take it and spread it around to maybe 5 schools, none of which will have to move to swing space. So Nottingham will just sit empty in the meantime. All so the anti-Nottie community can sleep at night and not have to ask their politicians practical questions. What a waste.

This isn’t about swing space. This is about APS wanting to try and reverse the bad decisions they made 5 years ago when they built Discovery and Cardinal on top of each other, and on top of Nottingham. Now they’ve got too much capacity in NA, and that’s not a good look for them. So they close Nottingham, and move all other NA schools to 100%. That’s what success looks like for them.

They’re just trying to save face, not create a swing space. And you idiots who just go along with it are making it so easy for them.

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

Yes, because sacrificing a well-utilized community center in SA so NA can keep their under-enrolled school makes a TON of sense.

And I know you hate Zumba, but Fairlington CC also houses a preschool and tons of classes that are used by residents of all ages.

Give it a rest.

And Amazon? You probably hate them too, right? Our kids don’t need technology! Let’s drive them to a 20-year old elementary school 30 mins away instead! That makes more sense!

And Syphax is good for our administrators but not our kids. Ewww.

Do you work for APS? Your thinking is about as deep as theirs appears to be.

We can do so much better than this.

The thing about NES: It’s already set up as an elementary school, which saves tons of money.

Fairlington and Amazon are asinine suggestions. I have no idea about Syphax, but we all know that’s a non-starter anyway.

I’m sorry. There’s still time for you to move though.

“I have no idea but that’s a non-starter.”

Yep, that’s what APS says, too.

“I don’t understand this, but that’s ok, I don’t want to think too hard.”

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s APS’s dirty little secret—THEY DON’T ACTUALLY NEED A SWING SPACE IN 2026! Write them. Ask them. Nobody thinks that’s going to happen. They won’t possibly get their shit together by then. Even when they get their bond, they’re not going to throw $40 million into one school. They’re going to take it and spread it around to maybe 5 schools, none of which will have to move to swing space. So Nottingham will just sit empty in the meantime. All so the anti-Nottie community can sleep at night and not have to ask their politicians practical questions. What a waste.

This isn’t about swing space. This is about APS wanting to try and reverse the bad decisions they made 5 years ago when they built Discovery and Cardinal on top of each other, and on top of Nottingham. Now they’ve got too much capacity in NA, and that’s not a good look for them. So they close Nottingham, and move all other NA schools to 100%. That’s what success looks like for them.

They’re just trying to save face, not create a swing space. And you idiots who just go along with it are making it so easy for them.

Grasping at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

Yes, because sacrificing a well-utilized community center in SA so NA can keep their under-enrolled school makes a TON of sense.

And I know you hate Zumba, but Fairlington CC also houses a preschool and tons of classes that are used by residents of all ages.

Give it a rest.

And Amazon? You probably hate them too, right? Our kids don’t need technology! Let’s drive them to a 20-year old elementary school 30 mins away instead! That makes more sense!

And Syphax is good for our administrators but not our kids. Ewww.

Do you work for APS? Your thinking is about as deep as theirs appears to be.

We can do so much better than this.

The thing about NES: It’s already set up as an elementary school, which saves tons of money.

Fairlington and Amazon are asinine suggestions. I have no idea about Syphax, but we all know that’s a non-starter anyway.

I’m sorry. There’s still time for you to move though.

“I have no idea but that’s a non-starter.”

Yep, that’s what APS says, too.

“I don’t understand this, but that’s ok, I don’t want to think too hard.”

Its a non-starter because APS won’t hear of it. You and I both know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s APS’s dirty little secret—THEY DON’T ACTUALLY NEED A SWING SPACE IN 2026! Write them. Ask them. Nobody thinks that’s going to happen. They won’t possibly get their shit together by then. Even when they get their bond, they’re not going to throw $40 million into one school. They’re going to take it and spread it around to maybe 5 schools, none of which will have to move to swing space. So Nottingham will just sit empty in the meantime. All so the anti-Nottie community can sleep at night and not have to ask their politicians practical questions. What a waste.

This isn’t about swing space. This is about APS wanting to try and reverse the bad decisions they made 5 years ago when they built Discovery and Cardinal on top of each other, and on top of Nottingham. Now they’ve got too much capacity in NA, and that’s not a good look for them. So they close Nottingham, and move all other NA schools to 100%. That’s what success looks like for them.

They’re just trying to save face, not create a swing space. And you idiots who just go along with it are making it so easy for them.

Grasping at straws.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument!

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

For the umpteenth time, Fairlington is not available to APS until the County makes it available and they are not interested in doing so.
They chose a NA school because of its enrollment amid multiple neighboring NA schools also with below-capacity enrollments.
It is far FASTER and CHEAPER to re-use an existing operating elementary school as an elementary school than to renovate a community center (that isn't even in APS' authority to use) or to find another location for central admin and the SB and convert that LEASED space into swing space that can accommodate preschool and elementary school.

I think their idea is fine. I don't believe it's actually going to happen because APS won't have its crap together to proceed with school renovations by the time the NES proposal is to take effect. By the time they're actually ready to begin using swing space, there probably won't be enough capacity in NW to do what they're currently proposing to do. On that point, it might end up being just as feasible from a timeframe standpoint to find some empty office buildings and do some other major renovations to create a swing space. But it will cost a LOT more. A LOT. Then the complaints will be that APS is wasting too much money creating a temporary space. And those complaints would probably be justified.

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

You do realize you're then making the case that NO pLACE can be swing space, right? You Notties certainly can't go advocating for somewhere else to take the fall. In fact, you're saying the whole idea is just too dangerous. So, no accelerated renos anywhere, right?

No, it’s a lack of a traffic study to see if/what can be done to make the streets safer. Some streets and neighborhoods are inherently safer than others based on factors outside of the control of APS. Width? Sidewalks? Stop signs? Hills?

On that basis, I think your neighborhood around NES is far more suitable than most others - esp in central/south arlington - since you have far more space and far less traffic and far less density of people.

Agreed. I think some of these NES parents have never witnessed the buzz of cars, buses, and general humanity at an elementary school drop off/pickup south of 50.

Thank you for making our point for us! We don’t want that nor can Nottingham accommodate that.

But what’s the issue with APS taking a breath and actually studying the issue? The whole argument is APS is moving too fast without supporting data and study. Making decisions like this is how we got into this mess in the first place.

3 years is too fast for you?
And as has repeatedly been pointed out, they will do the studies IF they decide to move forward and implement for the start of school two years from now. If they did detailed studies of every potential site before making decisions, people would be complaining it's taking them so long to make a proposal and a decision and they're wasting time and taxpayer money on a bunch of studies that aren't even going to matter. Also, any study they do today will need to be (and would) be re-done when it's time to implement the plan because a study done today will be outdated by then.

There is not one single location - not one - that will not have traffic implications or that does not already have traffic concerns. Not one. Traffic is not going to be the factor that stops NES becoming swing space.

This is where you are wrong. Some locations may have unique factors that then don’t make sense as a 100 percent driveable location. The time to study is before the location is chosen because otherwise you’ve now pigeonholed the site, even if it makes no sense after studies are conducted.

You can believe that all you want. Fact is, APS is not going to make its decision based on the criteria you are hoping they will. But since you're so certain about the traffic issues, perhaps you can speed up the process of changing APS' mind by identifying the sites that "make sense" to "pigeonhole" as 100% driving schools. While you're at it, please name any APS school that is 100% driving.

Well, APS wants Nottingham to be.

So, none. You can't name one that is. Or one that "makes sense" to be one.

Right so you agree that it’s never been done before and warrants some study!

I agree this plan has not been done before.
And I understand you need to think I've come around to your point of view because you are unable to identify a worthy 100% driving school site or a single existing 100% driving school.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s APS’s dirty little secret—THEY DON’T ACTUALLY NEED A SWING SPACE IN 2026! Write them. Ask them. Nobody thinks that’s going to happen. They won’t possibly get their shit together by then. Even when they get their bond, they’re not going to throw $40 million into one school. They’re going to take it and spread it around to maybe 5 schools, none of which will have to move to swing space. So Nottingham will just sit empty in the meantime. All so the anti-Nottie community can sleep at night and not have to ask their politicians practical questions. What a waste.

This isn’t about swing space. This is about APS wanting to try and reverse the bad decisions they made 5 years ago when they built Discovery and Cardinal on top of each other, and on top of Nottingham. Now they’ve got too much capacity in NA, and that’s not a good look for them. So they close Nottingham, and move all other NA schools to 100%. That’s what success looks like for them.

They’re just trying to save face, not create a swing space. And you idiots who just go along with it are making it so easy for them.

Grasping at straws.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument!

Are you a Trumper? All these “facts” leading you to your conspiracy theories!

(Also, your suggestions that any problems in SA remain in SA. NA must not be bothered!)

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

Yes, because sacrificing a well-utilized community center in SA so NA can keep their under-enrolled school makes a TON of sense.

And I know you hate Zumba, but Fairlington CC also houses a preschool and tons of classes that are used by residents of all ages.

Give it a rest.

And Amazon? You probably hate them too, right? Our kids don’t need technology! Let’s drive them to a 20-year old elementary school 30 mins away instead! That makes more sense!

And Syphax is good for our administrators but not our kids. Ewww.

Do you work for APS? Your thinking is about as deep as theirs appears to be.

We can do so much better than this.

The thing about NES: It’s already set up as an elementary school, which saves tons of money.

Fairlington and Amazon are asinine suggestions. I have no idea about Syphax, but we all know that’s a non-starter anyway.

I’m sorry. There’s still time for you to move though.

“I have no idea but that’s a non-starter.”

Yep, that’s what APS says, too.

“I don’t understand this, but that’s ok, I don’t want to think too hard.”

Its a non-starter because APS won’t hear of it. You and I both know that.

And that’s the real problem. Not Nottie mommies. APS. They suck. And we suck for letting them get away with it.

It’s Nottingham this time. And Hamm. And the 90% of Arlington families that hate the new calendar but APD is doing it anyway. It’ll be another school and another issue next time. They’ll keep doing this because we keep letting them do it.

What if we actually expected our elected Board Members to push back? To make APS be better? Maybe our school district wouldn’t be such a mess. Maybe we could think long-term for once, and stop throwing good money after short-term problems of our own making.

If only.

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

You do realize you're then making the case that NO pLACE can be swing space, right? You Notties certainly can't go advocating for somewhere else to take the fall. In fact, you're saying the whole idea is just too dangerous. So, no accelerated renos anywhere, right?

No, it’s a lack of a traffic study to see if/what can be done to make the streets safer. Some streets and neighborhoods are inherently safer than others based on factors outside of the control of APS. Width? Sidewalks? Stop signs? Hills?

On that basis, I think your neighborhood around NES is far more suitable than most others - esp in central/south arlington - since you have far more space and far less traffic and far less density of people.

Agreed. I think some of these NES parents have never witnessed the buzz of cars, buses, and general humanity at an elementary school drop off/pickup south of 50.

Thank you for making our point for us! We don’t want that nor can Nottingham accommodate that.

But what’s the issue with APS taking a breath and actually studying the issue? The whole argument is APS is moving too fast without supporting data and study. Making decisions like this is how we got into this mess in the first place.

3 years is too fast for you?
And as has repeatedly been pointed out, they will do the studies IF they decide to move forward and implement for the start of school two years from now. If they did detailed studies of every potential site before making decisions, people would be complaining it's taking them so long to make a proposal and a decision and they're wasting time and taxpayer money on a bunch of studies that aren't even going to matter. Also, any study they do today will need to be (and would) be re-done when it's time to implement the plan because a study done today will be outdated by then.

There is not one single location - not one - that will not have traffic implications or that does not already have traffic concerns. Not one. Traffic is not going to be the factor that stops NES becoming swing space.

This is where you are wrong. Some locations may have unique factors that then don’t make sense as a 100 percent driveable location. The time to study is before the location is chosen because otherwise you’ve now pigeonholed the site, even if it makes no sense after studies are conducted.

You can believe that all you want. Fact is, APS is not going to make its decision based on the criteria you are hoping they will. But since you're so certain about the traffic issues, perhaps you can speed up the process of changing APS' mind by identifying the sites that "make sense" to "pigeonhole" as 100% driving schools. While you're at it, please name any APS school that is 100% driving.

Well, APS wants Nottingham to be.

So, none. You can't name one that is. Or one that "makes sense" to be one.

Right so you agree that it’s never been done before and warrants some study!

I agree this plan has not been done before.
And I understand you need to think I've come around to your point of view because you are unable to identify a worthy 100% driving school site or a single existing 100% driving school.

Not PP but I don’t understand your argument. Doesn’t the fact (according to you) that there are no other 100% driving schools (even though some options probably are) actually make the opposite point you’re trying to make?

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

You do realize you're then making the case that NO pLACE can be swing space, right? You Notties certainly can't go advocating for somewhere else to take the fall. In fact, you're saying the whole idea is just too dangerous. So, no accelerated renos anywhere, right?

No, it’s a lack of a traffic study to see if/what can be done to make the streets safer. Some streets and neighborhoods are inherently safer than others based on factors outside of the control of APS. Width? Sidewalks? Stop signs? Hills?

On that basis, I think your neighborhood around NES is far more suitable than most others - esp in central/south arlington - since you have far more space and far less traffic and far less density of people.

Agreed. I think some of these NES parents have never witnessed the buzz of cars, buses, and general humanity at an elementary school drop off/pickup south of 50.

Thank you for making our point for us! We don’t want that nor can Nottingham accommodate that.

But what’s the issue with APS taking a breath and actually studying the issue? The whole argument is APS is moving too fast without supporting data and study. Making decisions like this is how we got into this mess in the first place.

3 years is too fast for you?
And as has repeatedly been pointed out, they will do the studies IF they decide to move forward and implement for the start of school two years from now. If they did detailed studies of every potential site before making decisions, people would be complaining it's taking them so long to make a proposal and a decision and they're wasting time and taxpayer money on a bunch of studies that aren't even going to matter. Also, any study they do today will need to be (and would) be re-done when it's time to implement the plan because a study done today will be outdated by then.

There is not one single location - not one - that will not have traffic implications or that does not already have traffic concerns. Not one. Traffic is not going to be the factor that stops NES becoming swing space.

So exactly when in that timeless are they going to widen Little Falls?

Never.
So that's your new criteria for accepting the plan? Proving my point above about nothing being satsifactory even if APS were to study and make the plan now. You will continually move the goalpost and raise the bar.

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

For the umpteenth time, Fairlington is not available to APS until the County makes it available and they are not interested in doing so.
They chose a NA school because of its enrollment amid multiple neighboring NA schools also with below-capacity enrollments.
It is far FASTER and CHEAPER to re-use an existing operating elementary school as an elementary school than to renovate a community center (that isn't even in APS' authority to use) or to find another location for central admin and the SB and convert that LEASED space into swing space that can accommodate preschool and elementary school.

I think their idea is fine. I don't believe it's actually going to happen because APS won't have its crap together to proceed with school renovations by the time the NES proposal is to take effect. By the time they're actually ready to begin using swing space, there probably won't be enough capacity in NW to do what they're currently proposing to do. On that point, it might end up being just as feasible from a timeframe standpoint to find some empty office buildings and do some other major renovations to create a swing space. But it will cost a LOT more. A LOT. Then the complaints will be that APS is wasting too much money creating a temporary space. And those complaints would probably be justified.

How do you know the County won’t help? How do you know APS has even asked? Spoiler alert: they haven’t.

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Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

Yes, because sacrificing a well-utilized community center in SA so NA can keep their under-enrolled school makes a TON of sense.

And I know you hate Zumba, but Fairlington CC also houses a preschool and tons of classes that are used by residents of all ages.

Give it a rest.

And Amazon? You probably hate them too, right? Our kids don’t need technology! Let’s drive them to a 20-year old elementary school 30 mins away instead! That makes more sense!

And Syphax is good for our administrators but not our kids. Ewww.

Do you work for APS? Your thinking is about as deep as theirs appears to be.

We can do so much better than this.

oooo! you're back in form! I was getting concerned, you seemed to not have much punch there for a while.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one want to join Nottingham. Even in N Arlington. You’ve alienated just about everyone with your prior and current style Of “advocacy.”

In that case, you should want us to stay at our own school. Because otherwise we’ll be coming to your’s! Help us advocate to keep Nottingham open so that our abhorrent values and alienating nature don’t infiltrate the whole of North Arlington.

Oh, that's clearly never going to happen! You'd sooner move to Montana than come to my kids' schools south of 50. Of course, the rest of your comment indicates you don't consider south Arlington part of the picture anyway. But you'd probably do better to solicit south Arlington support, if south Arlington schools end up being the ones destined for the swing space. They're your best bet arguing about the inconvenient and unfeasible location.

So we are on the same page!

NP. I'm in SA and our school desperately needs a reno, and I think the proposal is the best and most cost-efficient way to improve our school and the others that need it. I fully support this plan and would have no problem moving locations for one year, even if it's not that convenient. It would be better than staying in our building through construction, noise, and dust.

What if, as an alternative, you could go to Fairlington? Do you wonder if APS seriously considered that as an option? Or what if you could go to a state of the art classroom at Amazon? Aren’t you curious whether APS placed a call to them to ask? Or maybe Syphax would be closer and more convenient? Does it make you wonder whether it’s anything other than APS’s office-work policy that shut down that option?

It’s not Nottingham or nothing, and you ought to press your elected leaders to get a little more creative in their thinking. You say it’s the best choice but you history have no idea… APS doesn’t either. And that’s the point. They were so laser focused on closing a north Arlington school that they literally didn’t try to find any other solution.

For the umpteenth time, Fairlington is not available to APS until the County makes it available and they are not interested in doing so.
They chose a NA school because of its enrollment amid multiple neighboring NA schools also with below-capacity enrollments.
It is far FASTER and CHEAPER to re-use an existing operating elementary school as an elementary school than to renovate a community center (that isn't even in APS' authority to use) or to find another location for central admin and the SB and convert that LEASED space into swing space that can accommodate preschool and elementary school.

I think their idea is fine. I don't believe it's actually going to happen because APS won't have its crap together to proceed with school renovations by the time the NES proposal is to take effect. By the time they're actually ready to begin using swing space, there probably won't be enough capacity in NW to do what they're currently proposing to do. On that point, it might end up being just as feasible from a timeframe standpoint to find some empty office buildings and do some other major renovations to create a swing space. But it will cost a LOT more. A LOT. Then the complaints will be that APS is wasting too much money creating a temporary space. And those complaints would probably be justified.

Their idea is terrible for reasons you listed above. Why close a thriving school just to have to struggle with overcrowding when you don’t even know what you are doing with the “swing space” and won’t know for years?

If I wanted to build a new *house* in Arlington, I’d need to start on that now - especially if I needed a variance. Yet APS is expecting us to believe they are going to have a gut-ready project to go for 2026 that they haven’t even planned for yet? Come on.