I'm clearly doing both - raising my kids and succeeding professionally. The question is, why can't you do both? What's your answer going to be to your DC then? |
And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.
WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands. My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily. I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry. I think it's pathetic that you consider yourself too "intelligent and motivated" to raise your own DC +1000 That's what frightens me most about this wohm trend. The fact that putting one's own intellectual vanity over the welfare of YOUR OWN CHILD is a common excuse ![]() You are joking, right? If not, you have just knocked SAHMs down a few more pegs in my book. Intellectual vanity??? Yes, because the world keeps going round because of your big contributions to society. I'm also curious how you feel about your DH, who I assume works to keep that roof over your head and your big butt in that mommy-mobile every day. I'll also assume you don't worry about getting your DD into AAP since you just need her to look real pretty and smile a lot. |
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^^ lol gotta get DD into an Ivy so she can get a fancy MRS degree and marry a doctor. The cycle of being a SAHM must perpetuate. Clearly these SAHMs who hate working moms so much for *gasp* not staying home 24/7 to take care of kids are telling their DDs they should never grow up to be terrible working mothers. I'm sure they'd appreciate someone talking to their DDs one day the way they are spewing vitriol at working moms. |
You're right, I messed that up. Probably because my mom put me in day care. |
Ooh that's a good observation. Larla's mom is so delirious she's having this SAHM/WOHM debate with no one home to listen! Someone please get her a latte asap! |
I never thought sahm vs wohm would become a debate |
WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands. My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily. I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry. I think it's pathetic that you consider yourself too "intelligent and motivated" to raise your own DC +1000 That's what frightens me most about this wohm trend. The fact that putting one's own intellectual vanity over the welfare of YOUR OWN CHILD is a common excuse ![]() You are joking, right? If not, you have just knocked SAHMs down a few more pegs in my book. Intellectual vanity??? Yes, because the world keeps going round because of your big contributions to society. I'm also curious how you feel about your DH, who I assume works to keep that roof over your head and your big butt in that mommy-mobile every day. I'll also assume you don't worry about getting your DD into AAP since you just need her to look real pretty and smile a lot. Why do dads get both a career and to raise children? Why is it only moms who need to spend their time and talents exclusively on child rearing? |
I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands. My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily. I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry. I think it's pathetic that you consider yourself too "intelligent and motivated" to raise your own DC +1000 That's what frightens me most about this wohm trend. The fact that putting one's own intellectual vanity over the welfare of YOUR OWN CHILD is a common excuse ![]() You are joking, right? If not, you have just knocked SAHMs down a few more pegs in my book. Intellectual vanity??? Yes, because the world keeps going round because of your big contributions to society. I'm also curious how you feel about your DH, who I assume works to keep that roof over your head and your big butt in that mommy-mobile every day. I'll also assume you don't worry about getting your DD into AAP since you just need her to look real pretty and smile a lot. Why do dads get both a career and to raise children? Why is it only moms who need to spend their time and talents exclusively on child rearing? Not a PP, dad's are great but kids always call out for their mom when they NEED someone |
Being on life support is literally artificially extending a life, getting treatment for cancer is literally artificially extending a life, getting an organ transplant is literally artificially extending a life. I also don't think people who are against IUI/IVF actually understand the process. |
+2 In addition, I had the exact opposite experience as PP. I went back to work when my first was still an infant and was so desperately unhappy. Maybe some women can do it without any separation anxiety, but I was miserable. I stuck it out for two years, until DH and I finally decided I needed to stay home. I have never been happier, though I regret every day that I'll never get those first years back. We've had subsequent children and now I see how much better it is for me to be at home with them than at work. Different strokes. |
Or perhaps SAHMs who are happy with their choice aren't playing the martyr at all. How does choosing to be at home make you a martyr? When I hear that accusation, especially from a WOHM, it becomes crystal clear that there are some major insecurities at play. Why else would you make such judgmental and frankly, false, accusations about another person's life choices? Has it ever occurred to you that SAHMs could easily take on employment if they wished to, but they *choose not to*? I'm extremely organized, motivated, and intelligent - as are my other friends who are SAHMs. Your remarks just make you sound bitter and resentful. If you're so delighted with your life, then you shouldn't feel the need to knock down others who wouldn't be happy working outside the home. Right? |
It will always be a debate. I know a woman who is miserable b/c she gave up her career. Husband makes shitloads, but he also has a girlfriend (or two). She's miserable, despite her new car, lovely home and great kids. She may not be the norm, but she clearly isn't the only one. I work hard - out of the home - and while I have my bad days, I know that if my husband made some stupid moves, I could leave and still support myself and my kids. |
If by "martyr" you're referring to the WOHMs who insist that they do "SO much more" and "would NEVER spend all day on DCUM," then I agree. It's so interesting that there are plenty of WOHMs available during the day to continue this scintillating conversation. Hey wait - I thought you were all oh so busy at your incredibly interesting and fulfilling jobs!! Funny how you always show up on DCUM but then like to insinuate that it's only SAHMs who would possibly have time to do something so frivolous. Hypocritical much? ![]() |
Not the PP, but perhaps the answer will simply be, "I enjoyed being available for you and your siblings, so I decided I didn't want to return to work. I got great pleasure out of volunteering at school, going on field trips with you, being here when you left in the morning and came home in the afternoon. I consider being home a privilege." At least, that's what my mom told me when I asked her as an adult why she had decided to stay home. And it made me feel wonderful that she thought so highly of us. |