Tell an opinion you have that is in the strong minority

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Anonymous wrote:I think that most infertile people are infertile for a reason, and they should not push the issue. It's just a natural selection, and some genes just don't mean to be reproduced. I have not yet met a good parent of artificially created child.

I think that people should not receive medical treatment of any sort, people die for a reason, it is natural selection and science should not be used to interfere with nature. OH wait, that makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that most infertile people are infertile for a reason, and they should not push the issue. It's just a natural selection, and some genes just don't mean to be reproduced. I have not yet met a good parent of artificially created child.

I think that people should not receive medical treatment of any sort, people die for a reason, it is natural selection and science should not be used to interfere with nature. OH wait, that makes no sense.

I can see both sides of this argument. But, artificially creating a child is different than receiving medical treatment for yourself. It is literally artificially creating another human being.

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

"mom why why didn't you stay home with us when we were little, larla's mom did"
"Well taking care of my own children was beneath me because I have a graduate degree plus I was always afraid that your father would cheat on me."
" "

"Mom why can't I do xyz with Suzie."
"Because I depended on your father to provide, and when he cheated on me with a woman half my age and divorced me, I had no skills other than preparing you bento boxes, and shuttling you to your xyz activities Larla."

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"Mom where are the rest the photos of when I was a baby?"
"I didn't take any, I was at the office for most of your waking hours"

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

I think it's pathetic that you consider yourself too "intelligent and motivated" to raise your own DC

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

.... What about those of us who have to work to provide for our families? I mean, I feel like shit reading this thread and what you all must think of me.

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

I think it's pathetic that you consider yourself too "intelligent and motivated" to raise your own DC

+1000

That's what frightens me most about this wohm trend. The fact that putting one's own intellectual vanity over the welfare of YOUR OWN CHILD is a common excuse

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

.... What about those of us who have to work to provide for our families? I mean, I feel like shit reading this thread and what you all must think of me.

There's a big difference in HAVING to work and 'having' to work

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Anonymous wrote:We should not allow AA's to play the race card anymore

Ok--you go ahead and stop them.

Curious, why do have this opinion? Is it because racism is over?

You can either a) wallow in the past and blame everybody who ever wronged you and use it as an excuse to engage in self destructive behavior or b) Get on with your life and better yourself. It's been 50 years since civil rights, there's been enough focus on the past. Now it's time to look to the future.

THIS x100 EVERY group in this country has had to work hard to overcome discrimination. None complained as much as blacks

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

.... What about those of us who have to work to provide for our families? I mean, I feel like shit reading this thread and what you all must think of me.

There's a big difference in HAVING to work and 'having' to work

What's the difference?

And here's that hatred of working moms again. But someone a million pages back said women who stay at home once the kids are in school or women who have masters degrees but stay home are LAZY!!!11 so it's totally the same thing!!!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

"mom why why didn't you stay home with us when we were little, larla's mom did"
"Well taking care of my own children was beneath me because I have a graduate degree plus I was always afraid that your father would cheat on me."
" "

"Mom why can't I do xyz with Suzie."
"Because I depended on your father to provide, and when he cheated on me with a woman half my age and divorced me, I had no skills other than preparing you bento boxes, and shuttling you to your xyz activities Larla."

Oops

"Mom where are the rest the photos of when I was a baby?"
"I didn't take any, I was at the office for most of your waking hours"

"Mom how do you have so much free time to spend on DCUM?"
"I have nothing productive to do with my time other than argue with people on the Internet while your father works all day. Oh, I'm such a martyr!!!"

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

"mom why why didn't you stay home with us when we were little, larla's mom did"
"Well taking care of my own children was beneath me because I have a graduate degree plus I was always afraid that your father would cheat on me."
" "

"Mom why can't I do xyz with Suzie."
"Because I depended on your father to provide, and when he cheated on me with a woman half my age and divorced me, I had no skills other than preparing you bento boxes, and shuttling you to your xyz activities Larla."

Oops

"Mom where are the rest the photos of when I was a baby?"
"I didn't take any, I was at the office for most of your waking hours"

"Mom how do you have so much free time to spend on DCUM?"
"I have nothing productive to do with my time other than argue with people on the Internet while your father works all day. Oh, I'm such a martyr!!!"

Lol and you know it's the same person responding again and again, the only person on here who overuses the emoticon and sometimes questionable grammar.

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

"mom why why didn't you stay home with us when we were little, larla's mom did"
"Well taking care of my own children was beneath me because I have a graduate degree plus I was always afraid that your father would cheat on me."
" "

"Mom why can't I do xyz with Suzie."
"Because I depended on your father to provide, and when he cheated on me with a woman half my age and divorced me, I had no skills other than preparing you bento boxes, and shuttling you to your xyz activities Larla."

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"Mom where are the rest the photos of when I was a baby?"
"I didn't take any, I was at the office for most of your waking hours"

"Mom how do you have so much free time to spend on DCUM?"
"I have nothing productive to do with my time other than argue with people on the Internet while your father works all day. Oh, I'm such a martyr!!!"

"Larla's mom does xyz with her, why don't you do that with me"
"SHUT YOUR MOUTH I DO EVERYTHING SHE DOES AND MORE"
"But mom you're gone most of the"
"I'M SUPER ORGANIZEEEEEDDDDDD"

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Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely shocked by the SAHM hating posts. "Lazy", "living off another person's dime," "insufferable"?
My spouse and I will make decisions based on our families' needs and you will make yours. We will all work hard and do the best we can. Some of us will teach our children to treat others with kindness and respect. The haters will teach hate.
I hope my kids don't cross paths with yours

Do you not see the language directed towards WOHMs, not to mention at childcare providers?

Really??????? No, I don't see it. (Not pp)

Just from this page:
the mom who palms her dc off to virtual strangers for most of their waking hours

Let's include the whole quote you just pulled that from so we aren't taking these words out of context. Don't be lazy, pp.

Sorry, the rest talked about how bad it is to leave your kids with a person who doesn't speak English well. You know, hardworking women providing for their families. Really reflects well on SAHMs, that poster.

Nope, sorry - you're twisting that post to suit your own bias. The post was asking why so many WOH parents seem to speak glowingly of their childcare providers yet dismissively of SAH parents. Even when the childcare provider might not speak English well (or at all), they are still seen as more desirable for their children than simply having a parent take care of them. We're still waiting for an answer, by the way. And that observation has nothing to do with racism, though you can certainly try and spin it that way.

Because earning a professional living is seen by many as a higher and better use of a parent's time than opting out of the workforce for years.

And there it is. So incredibly sad. I wonder what your children would think if they read your statement as adults. How pathetic for them to hear that you find working to be a better use of your time than taking care of them. Oh well - different strokes.

WOHM's conveniently ignore this statement

I think it's pathetic that you think so little of your DC, but at least you're setting yourself up to play the martyr mom role for the rest of your life with those DC when they become adults. You could tell them, I wasn't organized, motivated, intelligent <fill in the blank> to manage both a career and a family so I took a break/stopped working all together....all because of YOU! Dear Susie, I'm going to volunteer in your classroom everyday to ensure you get into AAP and run you to a different after school activity every single day and sit home while you're in school all day trying to figure out how to clean our house and go grocery shopping with the 7 hours a day that I have on my hands.

My mom was a WOHM with me, but a SAHM for my younger siblings. She always thought that was just what you were SUPPOSED to do if you could. It was BETTER for your kids. This is now one of my moms biggest regrets. All of her kids turned out to be successful, happy people with families. I tend to remember more "special" things about my childhood than my siblings. I'm actually closer to my mom than the rest of them. She stalled her career for so long she found it difficult both professionally and personally to get back in the field. She feels like she could have worked and all of her kids would have been just as healthy and happy as they are now. She could have handled being a WOHM easily.

I have absolutely no worries about my kids looking back on their childhood and feeling neglected because I have a career. I know that it helps SAHMs feel better about their choice, but I have absolutely no guilt, but if you acknowledge this it doesn't help your martyr act. Sorry.

"mom why why didn't you stay home with us when we were little, larla's mom did"
"Well taking care of my own children was beneath me because I have a graduate degree plus I was always afraid that your father would cheat on me."
" "

"Mom why can't I do xyz with Suzie."
"Because I depended on your father to provide, and when he cheated on me with a woman half my age and divorced me, I had no skills other than preparing you bento boxes, and shuttling you to your xyz activities Larla."

Oops

"Mom where are the rest the photos of when I was a baby?"
"I didn't take any, I was at the office for most of your waking hours"

"Mom how do you have so much free time to spend on DCUM?"
"I have nothing productive to do with my time other than argue with people on the Internet while your father works all day. Oh, I'm such a martyr!!!"

"Larla's mom does xyz with her, why don't you do that with me"
"SHUT YOUR MOUTH I DO EVERYTHING SHE DOES AND MORE"
"But mom you're gone most of the"
"I'M SUPER ORGANIZEEEEEDDDDDD"

A child old enough to have this conversation with you is going to be school age and thus away from home most of the day. Fail.

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Anonymous wrote:To get away from this riveting discussion of stay at home mommy martyrdom, I contribute that I like Daylight Savings Time. The time change doesn't bother me much and I like that it stays light out much longer.

It is Daylight Saving Time. This is DCUM, you know.