Another ICE Shooting in Minnesota

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile…

Meg Luger-Nikolai, an attorney, won House District 64A on Tuesday with more than 95 percent of the vote, according to The Associated Press. Her Republican opponent Dan Walsh secured around 4.4 percent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

What is their job? We keep hearing they are there to investigate fraud, manage traffic, train military, and/or as recently declared by an agent on camera, "if you raise your voice, we will erase your voice"...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

In Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court held that the Constitution bars the federal government from forcing or otherwise compelling local or state governments to enforce federal law.

The liberal justice who wrote the majority opinion in that case?

Justice Antonin Scalia:

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep521/usrep521898/usrep521898.pdf

So Trump and ICE can just move along from their attempts to strong-arm states and cities into "compliance"

They can help enforce it, or the federal agencies can show up to do so. That’s what’s happening now.

Well, there's always at least one remedy--the courts. On 1/12/26 the State of Minnesota and the Twin Cities (including Minneapolis and St. Paul) filed a federal lawsuit seeking to block “Operation Metro Surge”—arguing it is unconstitutional and unlawful. The complaint asserts that the surge of federal enforcement officers violates state sovereignty, public safety, and constitutional rights and sought to halt or limit the operation. The federal government has defended the operation and asked a judge to reject Minnesota’s bid to stop it, calling the suit “legally frivolous.”

As Trump like to say, "we'll see what happens."

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^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

I don't think you get it, most the states don't have these kinds of problems. This is a Minneapolis problem.

Huh?

Minneapolis was fine til ICE surged 3,000 untrained morons into the city.

Only sanctuary cities have this issue. Why is that?

Canadian here. Minnesotans sound like our kind of people. You know it’s not a good situation when the Premier of Manitoba is asking Trump to stop killing US citizens. (We don’t hear much of anything from the Prairie provinces, even as Canadians).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

Look, troll, it's simple.

1. Minneapolis has a “separation” or sanctuary-style ordinance that bars city employees, including police, from enforcing federal civil immigration law, from asking about immigration status, and from participating in federal immigration enforcement activities. Under city policy, MPD does not honor ICE detainers or routinely notify ICE when someone is released, except in limited situations tied to criminal investigations where immigration status is directly relevant. Federal agencies like ICE can still operate in Minneapolis independently — but local law enforcement isn’t permitted by city ordinance to proactively hand undocumented people over to ICE for civil immigration enforcement. So the police can't just "help" ICE do their job.

2. And if any wonders why the mayor can't cooperate with ICE (which would involve ignoring the city’s immigration-separation policy voted in by the city council), it's because the mayor cannot unilaterally suspend or ignore an ordinance.

3) Furthermore, under U.S. constitutional law (the anti-commandeering doctrine), the federal government cannot require state or local officials to enforce federal immigration law.

4) To change Minneapolis's policy, it would require:

a) City Council action (repeal or amendment), or
b) A state or federal law or court order that legally preempts the ordinance.

That's the law. You believe in following laws, correct?

I would like to add that this practice, which is law in sanctuary cities, was the police department policy in almost every American city until 2025. Why? For very obvious safety reasons. Police departments are primarily concerned with the safety of locals. If a victim or witness is afraid of being deported, they will not report crimes. Again, I repeat, this was the standard police department policy in almost every American city. Trump is the one trying to change things and make America unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

I don't think you get it, most the states don't have these kinds of problems. This is a Minneapolis problem.

Huh?

Minneapolis was fine til ICE surged 3,000 untrained morons into the city.

Only sanctuary cities have this issue. Why is that?

Canadian here. Minnesotans sound like our kind of people. You know it’s not a good situation when the Premier of Manitoba is asking Trump to stop killing US citizens. (We don’t hear much of anything from the Prairie provinces, even as Canadians).

Canadian provinces have the kind of autonomy and independence from the federal government that conservatives in the US claim to want--except for when it comes to "liberal" cities/states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

In Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court held that the Constitution bars the federal government from forcing or otherwise compelling local or state governments to enforce federal law.

The liberal justice who wrote the majority opinion in that case?

Justice Antonin Scalia:

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep521/usrep521898/usrep521898.pdf

So Trump and ICE can just move along from their attempts to strong-arm states and cities into "compliance"

They can help enforce it, or the federal agencies can show up to do so. That’s what’s happening now.

Well, there's always at least one remedy--the courts. On 1/12/26 the State of Minnesota and the Twin Cities (including Minneapolis and St. Paul) filed a federal lawsuit seeking to block “Operation Metro Surge”—arguing it is unconstitutional and unlawful. The complaint asserts that the surge of federal enforcement officers violates state sovereignty, public safety, and constitutional rights and sought to halt or limit the operation. The federal government has defended the operation and asked a judge to reject Minnesota’s bid to stop it, calling the suit “legally frivolous.”

As Trump like to say, "we'll see what happens."

Trump says a lot of things. Things that completely undermine his positions in lawsuits.

[Anonymous]

None of you are making any difference by sitting at a keyboard and complaining on a website. Get your butts to Minneapolis and get in the face of some of these ICE agents!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of you are making any difference by sitting at a keyboard and complaining on a website. Get your butts to Minneapolis and get in the face of some of these ICE agents!

Mad props to mn. Looks like they are doing just fine protecting their communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of you are making any difference by sitting at a keyboard and complaining on a website. Get your butts to Minneapolis and get in the face of some of these ICE agents!

Angry protesters in the faces of idiot trigger-happy Federal Officers who clearly lack proper training and experience working on urban streets is exactly what we don't need more of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

Look, troll, it's simple.

1. Minneapolis has a “separation” or sanctuary-style ordinance that bars city employees, including police, from enforcing federal civil immigration law, from asking about immigration status, and from participating in federal immigration enforcement activities. Under city policy, MPD does not honor ICE detainers or routinely notify ICE when someone is released, except in limited situations tied to criminal investigations where immigration status is directly relevant. Federal agencies like ICE can still operate in Minneapolis independently — but local law enforcement isn’t permitted by city ordinance to proactively hand undocumented people over to ICE for civil immigration enforcement. So the police can't just "help" ICE do their job.

2. And if any wonders why the mayor can't cooperate with ICE (which would involve ignoring the city’s immigration-separation policy voted in by the city council), it's because the mayor cannot unilaterally suspend or ignore an ordinance.

3) Furthermore, under U.S. constitutional law (the anti-commandeering doctrine), the federal government cannot require state or local officials to enforce federal immigration law.

4) To change Minneapolis's policy, it would require:

a) City Council action (repeal or amendment), or
b) A state or federal law or court order that legally preempts the ordinance.

That's the law. You believe in following laws, correct?

I would like to add that this practice, which is law in sanctuary cities, was the police department policy in almost every American city until 2025. Why? For very obvious safety reasons. Police departments are primarily concerned with the safety of locals. If a victim or witness is afraid of being deported, they will not report crimes. Again, I repeat, this was the standard police department policy in almost every American city. Trump is the one trying to change things and make America unsafe.

To echo what you're saying, someone close to me is a mayor and I asked that individual why their city had a sanctuary policy (I didn't know much about them at the time). The answer was for safety. If undocumented residents fear that the police or other local employees will turn them over to immigration authorities if they encounter them, they will be afraid to report crimes, serve as witnesses, call the police if in trouble, may run from the police creating dangerous situations, etc. Such laws are particularly important in communities with lots of immigrants and they help create a sense of trust between residents and the authorities. Under the 10th amendment, the federal government can't MAKE localities modify or eliminate these policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of you are making any difference by sitting at a keyboard and complaining on a website. Get your butts to Minneapolis and get in the face of some of these ICE agents!

Angry protesters in the faces of idiot trigger-happy Federal Officers who clearly lack proper training and experience working on urban streets is exactly what we don't need more of.

Ok. So are we agreeing to all sit here and keep doing nothing but complaining to each other?

[Anonymous]

Uh oh, more competition for that peace prize:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of you are making any difference by sitting at a keyboard and complaining on a website. Get your butts to Minneapolis and get in the face of some of these ICE agents!

Angry protesters in the faces of idiot trigger-happy Federal Officers who clearly lack proper training and experience working on urban streets is exactly what we don't need more of.

Ok. So are we agreeing to all sit here and keep doing nothing but complaining to each other?

hey here's three ideas

1. https://www.standwithminnesota.com/ - donate, if you want

2. Share stories about what is happening to keep the spotlight on what is playing out. People need to know that these paramilitary can be resisted nonviolently, that change does come -- Democrats just won the House majority in the MN State House, with the Dem winning 95% to 4.5%. That doesn't happen when people are demoralized, but when they are energized.

3. Stay involved in your local politics and keep an eye on independent news sources. Be aware of the first Nazi that comes into the bar (*) and be ready to kick them out, or stand with the people that kick them out. Locally. Make your local ground fertile for community and strength but poor soil for division and hatred.


* https://www.boredpanda.com/bar-bartender-nazi-punk-iamragesparkle/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh, more competition for that peace prize:

PP, here's your #4 -- share Bruce Springsteen's tribute to the brave people of Minneapolis far and wide. Let's see it play across the country.