ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Things like this do not go for a "vote" unless the outcome is known.

If the outcome were uncertain, it would be up for "discussion".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sad state of affairs that the only group to publicly address something that affects 3 million+ kids is DPL.

Not GA, not ECNL, not MLSN, not NPL, not the state bodies, not USYS, Not UsClub, not USSF, not USSSA, not AYSO.

Good for DPL, they did it right.

ECNL talked about it on the podcast. Which they should put out a statement of some kind. But want the views.
US Club is connected to many leagues.
I’m sure many are just waiting for it to be official. I’m not sure why DPL felt the need to say something so early about it?

Because that is the right thing to do.
This isn’t a change that is subtle or will only affect 1 kid per team. It impacts millions of people.

So if a change this big is coming, address it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things like this do not go for a "vote" unless the outcome is known.

If the outcome were uncertain, it would be up for "discussion".

Or like the fake email said, us soccer can leave it to each sanctioning body to decide.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

No one is denying any of it. We are saying that at the end of the day US Soccer will decide —and what they decide is what the youth leagues decide.

As of now, US Soccer has no real reason to move back.

That is what we are saying. DPLs pr basically is basically saying what we have all been saying. That it will be decided in November.

There are some SY freaks that are saying it’s a done deal when that is not true.

Just think about what you said. I’m paraphrasing so you can correct me. US soccer will decide based off what the youth leagues decide? So if someone gets info from a youth league who has decided to switch to SY. Then that means it is a done deal outside of a vote that is just for show at that point?

It’s a predetermined vote essentially.
Because why would the youth leagues push something for a vote unless they wanted to change the rules?

Because we don’t know for sure what leagues have decided what.

Youth soccer is more than just ECNL.
USYS was not 100% sold but could be influenced.
You don’t know AYSOs stance.
You don’t know USSSAs stance.

I’m saying assume the leagues have already decided! And people know that the leagues have decided then wouldn’t it be a done deal at this point? If Us Soccer is planning on deferring to the leagues anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

I think you’re largely mistaking “prove it” for “it’s fake.”

That said, I am surprised that the final vote is in November. It’s shocking that it’s moved so quickly from June ECNL trial balloon podcast, to August surveys, to a November final vote at the federation level. No doubt discussions were happening before the summer about the topic if November really ends up being the final vote.

DPL's notice mentions that this has been discussed for much of the year so maybe less quick they it seems.

Assuming all year, 11 months is shockingly fast considering that the rumors started swirling in August.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sad state of affairs that the only group to publicly address something that affects 3 million+ kids is DPL.

Not GA, not ECNL, not MLSN, not NPL, not the state bodies, not USYS, Not UsClub, not USSF, not USSSA, not AYSO.

Good for DPL, they did it right.

ECNL talked about it on the podcast. Which they should put out a statement of some kind. But want the views.
US Club is connected to many leagues.
I’m sure many are just waiting for it to be official. I’m not sure why DPL felt the need to say something so early about it?

DPL started GA and I believe multiple GA board members were DPL at one point or another.

This is a way for USSSA affiliated leagues (GA, DPL) to make a statement without GA who have been very closely aligned to US Soccer to say OK ECNL you get what you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things like this do not go for a "vote" unless the outcome is known.

If the outcome were uncertain, it would be up for "discussion".

Yes at this point it’s just for show. The outcome has already been decided.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

No one is denying any of it. We are saying that at the end of the day US Soccer will decide —and what they decide is what the youth leagues decide.

As of now, US Soccer has no real reason to move back.

That is what we are saying. DPLs pr basically is basically saying what we have all been saying. That it will be decided in November.

There are some SY freaks that are saying it’s a done deal when that is not true.

Just think about what you said. I’m paraphrasing so you can correct me. US soccer will decide based off what the youth leagues decide? So if someone gets info from a youth league who has decided to switch to SY. Then that means it is a done deal outside of a vote that is just for show at that point?

It’s a predetermined vote essentially.
Because why would the youth leagues push something for a vote unless they wanted to change the rules?

Because we don’t know for sure what leagues have decided what.

Youth soccer is more than just ECNL.
USYS was not 100% sold but could be influenced.
You don’t know AYSOs stance.
You don’t know USSSAs stance.

I’m saying assume the leagues have already decided! And people know that the leagues have decided then wouldn’t it be a done deal at this point? If Us Soccer is planning on deferring to the leagues anyways.

Again, no telling. We only know that ECNL is for SY.
GA could stay BY and snag ECNL kids.
GA could go SY.
USYS could go SY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sad state of affairs that the only group to publicly address something that affects 3 million+ kids is DPL.

Not GA, not ECNL, not MLSN, not NPL, not the state bodies, not USYS, Not UsClub, not USSF, not USSSA, not AYSO.

Good for DPL, they did it right.

Yep. People asked questions and they delivered.

ECNL: people asked questions and they took it to a Podcast???

A very non-committal addressing of the topic on their podcast too. ChickenS*** leadership tbh. I don’t care one way or the other about the change, but it’s garbage that they seemed to be the instigators on this, and we’re not leading out in the open.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

No one is denying any of it. We are saying that at the end of the day US Soccer will decide —and what they decide is what the youth leagues decide.

As of now, US Soccer has no real reason to move back.

That is what we are saying. DPLs pr basically is basically saying what we have all been saying. That it will be decided in November.

There are some SY freaks that are saying it’s a done deal when that is not true.

Just think about what you said. I’m paraphrasing so you can correct me. US soccer will decide based off what the youth leagues decide? So if someone gets info from a youth league who has decided to switch to SY. Then that means it is a done deal outside of a vote that is just for show at that point?

It’s a predetermined vote essentially.
Because why would the youth leagues push something for a vote unless they wanted to change the rules?

Because we don’t know for sure what leagues have decided what.

Youth soccer is more than just ECNL.
USYS was not 100% sold but could be influenced.
You don’t know AYSOs stance.
You don’t know USSSAs stance.

I’m saying assume the leagues have already decided! And people know that the leagues have decided then wouldn’t it be a done deal at this point? If Us Soccer is planning on deferring to the leagues anyways.

The DPL link says that US Soccer will ultimately make the decision to change or not.

The first SOCAL cut and paste (which might not be real) said that US Soccer would defer to leagues and let them decide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

I think you’re largely mistaking “prove it” for “it’s fake.”

That said, I am surprised that the final vote is in November. It’s shocking that it’s moved so quickly from June ECNL trial balloon podcast, to August surveys, to a November final vote at the federation level. No doubt discussions were happening before the summer about the topic if November really ends up being the final vote.

DPL's notice mentions that this has been discussed for much of the year so maybe less quick they it seems.

Assuming all year, 11 months is shockingly fast considering that the rumors started swirling in August.

This has been a topic of discussion for years. Data was collected a few years ago. This is the culmination of a little more than 3 years. People didn’t want the change in the first place. When the DA died that allowed for the conversations to start again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things like this do not go for a "vote" unless the outcome is known.

If the outcome were uncertain, it would be up for "discussion".

Yes at this point it’s just for show. The outcome has already been decided.

That would mean the surveys were for show too

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

No one is denying any of it. We are saying that at the end of the day US Soccer will decide —and what they decide is what the youth leagues decide.

As of now, US Soccer has no real reason to move back.

That is what we are saying. DPLs pr basically is basically saying what we have all been saying. That it will be decided in November.

There are some SY freaks that are saying it’s a done deal when that is not true.

Just think about what you said. I’m paraphrasing so you can correct me. US soccer will decide based off what the youth leagues decide? So if someone gets info from a youth league who has decided to switch to SY. Then that means it is a done deal outside of a vote that is just for show at that point?

It’s a predetermined vote essentially.
Because why would the youth leagues push something for a vote unless they wanted to change the rules?

Because we don’t know for sure what leagues have decided what.

Youth soccer is more than just ECNL.
USYS was not 100% sold but could be influenced.
You don’t know AYSOs stance.
You don’t know USSSAs stance.

I’m saying assume the leagues have already decided! And people know that the leagues have decided then wouldn’t it be a done deal at this point? If Us Soccer is planning on deferring to the leagues anyways.

The DPL link says that US Soccer will ultimately make the decision to change or not.

The first SOCAL cut and paste (which might not be real) said that US Soccer would defer to leagues and let them decide.

Don’t be surprised if some leagues goto SY cut offs, some goto GY, and a few others stay BY for a year or so. Just wait and see what happens not as simple as straight BY like in 2017. MLSN does not want to change and I don’t think they will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things like this do not go for a "vote" unless the outcome is known.

If the outcome were uncertain, it would be up for "discussion".

Yes at this point it’s just for show. The outcome has already been decided.

That would mean the surveys were for show too

It’s all an illusion to make us think we really had a voice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WHO would post fake emails from soccer organizations? It’s decided that they are fake? Maybe someone needs to get a job.

Boredom? Fun? S&gigglrs, psycho-parent, drama, wishful thinking? Lots of simple reasons.

That’s not new to our community. There are journalists who come on DCUM and create discussions in order to write stories…. I’m not legitimizing the faking stuff.

One of the people on SoCal called one of the fakers out for copying and pasting from an academic study and claiming it came from some ussoccer insider. Same person copy and pasted a post from DCUM and put a claimed it was an email from Chris Leahey…So And making “bold (hedged) decisions about things that are already known” or posted on rumor twitter accounts before they’re circulated on other threads.

I think they’re just enjoying getting everyone to jump and the attention they get from posting things that keep things going.

Okay let’s say 100 people make stuff up which could be true? But that doesn’t mean 1 person isn’t giving real inside info? There has been enough comments on here that have been proven truthful. Which. People have been hearing this was a real possibility and that leagues like US club or USYS have already discussed for a while and had their own silent vote yes. This has been talked about all year if you want to believe DPL. This wasn’t just a thrown together discussion.

So believe or don’t believe people on here? But obviously there’s a good chance we are changing back.

I don’t think that’s accurate. What specifically were the things that were “proven true?”

This is a big forum. But people posted here that they were hearing, and much of it has indeed become truthful. Regarding surveys being sent out, US club being on board, USYS getting involved, that this was all real and going to a vote in November was argued until a month ago. Even then some argued it until DPL post said what we all knew to be true. If you listen objectively.

Obviously don’t believe everyone or everything but some people obviously have been right about some things.

No one is denying any of it. We are saying that at the end of the day US Soccer will decide —and what they decide is what the youth leagues decide.

As of now, US Soccer has no real reason to move back.

That is what we are saying. DPLs pr basically is basically saying what we have all been saying. That it will be decided in November.

There are some SY freaks that are saying it’s a done deal when that is not true.

Just think about what you said. I’m paraphrasing so you can correct me. US soccer will decide based off what the youth leagues decide? So if someone gets info from a youth league who has decided to switch to SY. Then that means it is a done deal outside of a vote that is just for show at that point?

It’s a predetermined vote essentially.
Because why would the youth leagues push something for a vote unless they wanted to change the rules?

Because we don’t know for sure what leagues have decided what.

Youth soccer is more than just ECNL.
USYS was not 100% sold but could be influenced.
You don’t know AYSOs stance.
You don’t know USSSAs stance.

I’m saying assume the leagues have already decided! And people know that the leagues have decided then wouldn’t it be a done deal at this point? If Us Soccer is planning on deferring to the leagues anyways.

The DPL link says that US Soccer will ultimately make the decision to change or not.

The first SOCAL cut and paste (which might not be real) said that US Soccer would defer to leagues and let them decide.

Yup. What US Soccer says will go. If ECNL and a few leagues decide to go alone, they will suffer the consequences