Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

So what are you arguing: that W families foolishly spend money on houses and stuff, while DCC families spend money on tutoring?

I just looked at SAT scores and W schools are on a different planet compared to DCC schools (minus the Blair magnet). Some DCC schools are so bad that it is not even funny. How do you explain it, given so much tutoring.

Our kids don’t have the same math classes as yours do and we have far more special needs and esol kids. You know the kids you don’t want in your schools. No, we have money to pay for college while you all are screaming donut hole and demanding aid.

I'm a happy DCC parent with one child already graduated and others on the way. But this "we value education so we live in an affordable neighborhood" argument this just laughable. You are making us look bad. Please stop.

The truth is that I live in an affordable neighborhood because I made specific choices. Yes, I chose a diverse neighborhood for my mixed race kids, so they could see people who looked like them every day, in a variety of roles. But I also made choices about what I did with my education (typical do-gooder stuff), by having my kids youngish for DC so they'd grow up with their cousins, and a hundred other things that long-term constrained my financial mobility.

No regrets about any of it, but pretending that DCC families are superior because our homes cost $700K instead of $1.5m is not realistic. It's a bunch of things, neither better nor worse than the other.

There are a lot of Hines now going for over a million. No one is saying it’s superior, we are saying it’s equal but there are other advantages like college admissions.

Yes there are some million dollar homes in the DCC but all homes are a million dollars in the west county. The difference is the starter home vs nicest home and the proximity to poverty. Live in historic takoma park and unless you go to the small co-op your grocery store is meh 13th & Georgia DC, yuck Langley park/new Hampshire or even worse flower Ave. Most people spend 7 figures to never go to those areas let alone weekly. An area can be super cute but it is also defined by its neighbors.

First off, they aren't starter homes and not everyone needs or wants a big home, we don't. And, our area is far from what you'd consider near poverty. If you don't go to those areas, fine, some of us do and its never been an issue. Many of those million dollar homes live paycheck to pay check as they over spent.

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Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

Please! The 300K post was most likely trolling and you actually agree with that alarmist nonsense.

First of all, WJ today is not some amazing school that drives property values. It is weaker than other W schools and not much better than, for example, Richard Montgomery that has similar demographics to Woodward options 1,2 and 4.

18% FARMS to 32-38% ( without option 3) . That a huge jump in FARMS.

Gievn all elese equal, that's the case for Woodward zone, if you think that HS with FARMS of 18% and 36% will be get the same prices of houses then you are delusional.

You don't need option 3 to bring down prices in Tilden. It will happen with all options.

I am surprised to see that MCPS did not try to balance the FARMS for WJ and Woodward despite schools being so close.

Balancing WJ and Woodward would have been the best approach. However, under Options 1, 2 and 4 Tilden prices will not go down as much as some people predict. It is not all about HS. There are many other appealing things about that area.

I had to look this up because it kept getting mentioned but this is a part of the current WJ zone that is going to Woodward no matter what? And people are lamenting the tragedy of who else might also end up at Woodward?

Yep. Pretty vomit inducing. I hope these a-holes' spawn don't get assigned to my kid's DCC school

Easy easy. I am Tilden. My preference is that we diversify the schools through housing policy. Diversify neighborhoods and that should lead to more demographic balance in schools while keeping commutes and transportation logistics simple. I am not worried about housing values. Not because I can afford to lose a lot of money but because I don’t think it is possible to predict anyway and not job of MCPS. I just like having my child on as short a bus ride as possible and to walk when possible. I think even some people in DCC like that idea too, no?
There is a lot of entitlement from a few posters but it isn’t representative of an entire community of people. Remember WJ is 3000 students. Surely they are not a monolith.

I wasn't referring to you, relax

Well you said Tilden so I wanted to clarify. I think everyone needs to tonę it down and stick to the substantive issues and goal of improving education for all kids.

I actually didn't say Tilden, that was a PP

Btw are you telling this to the people saying parents in the DCC don't value education? Seems like you only care about people toning it down when you are the target of insults

They need to justify their overpriced homes that make money very tight.

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

So what are you arguing: that W families foolishly spend money on houses and stuff, while DCC families spend money on tutoring?

I just looked at SAT scores and W schools are on a different planet compared to DCC schools (minus the Blair magnet). Some DCC schools are so bad that it is not even funny. How do you explain it, given so much tutoring.

Our kids don’t have the same math classes as yours do and we have far more special needs and esol kids. You know the kids you don’t want in your schools. No, we have money to pay for college while you all are screaming donut hole and demanding aid.

I'm a happy DCC parent with one child already graduated and others on the way. But this "we value education so we live in an affordable neighborhood" argument this just laughable. You are making us look bad. Please stop.

The truth is that I live in an affordable neighborhood because I made specific choices. Yes, I chose a diverse neighborhood for my mixed race kids, so they could see people who looked like them every day, in a variety of roles. But I also made choices about what I did with my education (typical do-gooder stuff), by having my kids youngish for DC so they'd grow up with their cousins, and a hundred other things that long-term constrained my financial mobility.

No regrets about any of it, but pretending that DCC families are superior because our homes cost $700K instead of $1.5m is not realistic. It's a bunch of things, neither better nor worse than the other.

There are a lot of Hines now going for over a million. No one is saying it’s superior, we are saying it’s equal but there are other advantages like college admissions.

Yes there are some million dollar homes in the DCC but all homes are a million dollars in the west county. The difference is the starter home vs nicest home and the proximity to poverty. Live in historic takoma park and unless you go to the small co-op your grocery store is meh 13th & Georgia DC, yuck Langley park/new Hampshire or even worse flower Ave. Most people spend 7 figures to never go to those areas let alone weekly. An area can be super cute but it is also defined by its neighbors.

That's exactly how I feel about Bethesda (I grew up there)

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

Offensive how?

If we have to spell it out for you, most likely you won't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

So what are you arguing: that W families foolishly spend money on houses and stuff, while DCC families spend money on tutoring?

I just looked at SAT scores and W schools are on a different planet compared to DCC schools (minus the Blair magnet). Some DCC schools are so bad that it is not even funny. How do you explain it, given so much tutoring.

Our kids don’t have the same math classes as yours do and we have far more special needs and esol kids. You know the kids you don’t want in your schools. No, we have money to pay for college while you all are screaming donut hole and demanding aid.

I'm a happy DCC parent with one child already graduated and others on the way. But this "we value education so we live in an affordable neighborhood" argument this just laughable. You are making us look bad. Please stop.

The truth is that I live in an affordable neighborhood because I made specific choices. Yes, I chose a diverse neighborhood for my mixed race kids, so they could see people who looked like them every day, in a variety of roles. But I also made choices about what I did with my education (typical do-gooder stuff), by having my kids youngish for DC so they'd grow up with their cousins, and a hundred other things that long-term constrained my financial mobility.

No regrets about any of it, but pretending that DCC families are superior because our homes cost $700K instead of $1.5m is not realistic. It's a bunch of things, neither better nor worse than the other.

There are a lot of Hines now going for over a million. No one is saying it’s superior, we are saying it’s equal but there are other advantages like college admissions.

Yes there are some million dollar homes in the DCC but all homes are a million dollars in the west county. The difference is the starter home vs nicest home and the proximity to poverty. Live in historic takoma park and unless you go to the small co-op your grocery store is meh 13th & Georgia DC, yuck Langley park/new Hampshire or even worse flower Ave. Most people spend 7 figures to never go to those areas let alone weekly. An area can be super cute but it is also defined by its neighbors.

That's exactly how I feel about Bethesda (I grew up there)

I grew up in a wealthy area here and it makes me sad. All the nice houses were torn down. You never see anyone walking outside or playing and just see people walking in/out and contractors/landscapers. Our community vibe is very different. The community and neighbors are why we choose the DCC area.

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There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

The communities will still be segregated. Don't worry.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

There’s a lot of posts here about property value and loss thereof, but not so many posts about the gain of property value if bused into a school like WJ or Whitman.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

The wealth of the people in low farms schools is rooted in oppression and segregation. Not the free market. You all just want to keep your spoils

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

The wealth of the people in low farms schools is rooted in oppression and segregation. Not the free market. You all just want to keep your spoils

You asked what was socialist about it. Here it is.

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

So what are you arguing: that W families foolishly spend money on houses and stuff, while DCC families spend money on tutoring?

I just looked at SAT scores and W schools are on a different planet compared to DCC schools (minus the Blair magnet). Some DCC schools are so bad that it is not even funny. How do you explain it, given so much tutoring.

Our kids don’t have the same math classes as yours do and we have far more special needs and esol kids. You know the kids you don’t want in your schools. No, we have money to pay for college while you all are screaming donut hole and demanding aid.

I'm a happy DCC parent with one child already graduated and others on the way. But this "we value education so we live in an affordable neighborhood" argument this just laughable. You are making us look bad. Please stop.

The truth is that I live in an affordable neighborhood because I made specific choices. Yes, I chose a diverse neighborhood for my mixed race kids, so they could see people who looked like them every day, in a variety of roles. But I also made choices about what I did with my education (typical do-gooder stuff), by having my kids youngish for DC so they'd grow up with their cousins, and a hundred other things that long-term constrained my financial mobility.

No regrets about any of it, but pretending that DCC families are superior because our homes cost $700K instead of $1.5m is not realistic. It's a bunch of things, neither better nor worse than the other.

There are a lot of Hines now going for over a million. No one is saying it’s superior, we are saying it’s equal but there are other advantages like college admissions.

Yes there are some million dollar homes in the DCC but all homes are a million dollars in the west county. The difference is the starter home vs nicest home and the proximity to poverty. Live in historic takoma park and unless you go to the small co-op your grocery store is meh 13th & Georgia DC, yuck Langley park/new Hampshire or even worse flower Ave. Most people spend 7 figures to never go to those areas let alone weekly. An area can be super cute but it is also defined by its neighbors.

All homes in west county are not a million dollars. Good grief

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

But apparently you can say “f** you” to those kids with longer bus rides if they are white.

I saw very, very few people on this thread actually endorse this.

Oh come on. If we call them UMC is that better?

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

The wealth of the people in low farms schools is rooted in oppression and segregation. Not the free market. You all just want to keep your spoils

You asked what was socialist about it. Here it is.

So you are saying a fundamental part of capitalism is racism and oppression? And it's immoral to not want that?

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing socialist about reducing segregation. Segregation undermines the free market because it prevents some people who could achieve great things from accessing opportunities and maximizing their productivity. Segregation is economically inefficient. But it does help White people hoard wealth.

But the wealth transfer — from those being bused out of the low FARMS schools to those being bused in — is socialist.

The wealth of the people in low farms schools is rooted in oppression and segregation. Not the free market. You all just want to keep your spoils

Generalization nonsense